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Camping and tunneling protest
This is going to sound toxic but I'm honestly trying to do this for the sake of the game. I'm going to be a camping and tunneling killer. I'm so tired of people on here saying how easy it is to counter with just off the record. If I camp/tunnel it's so easy to get a 4k. I never did that and always avoided chasing someone off hook but apparently BHVR and half the people who post on forums don't think it works so I'm just going to do it from now on. I honestly wish every killer did this then BHVR would actually fix the game. But as it is basically the killers that don't camp and tunnel have harder games and the ones that do tunnel get an easy at least 3k.
I hope I get some of the people that think off the record with 1 extra hit is going to save you from losing the 3v1 after. Since camping and tunneling apparently doesnt work, I guess I won't get any easy 4ks from this. Maybe some day BHVR will realize camping and tunneling should be removed from the game instead of just adding probably the most cheap/toxic game tactic I've ever seen allowed in a game.
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Yes let's add to the problem. Great idea.
I swear all of these campers and tunnellers that have appeared recently are the same people who used to play solo survivor.
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I bet if every killer tunneled they would fix it. The problem is right now only 1/3 do so BHVR doesn't think there's a problem. If every killer started tunneling they would finally realize it's a stupid tactic they need to get rid of.
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Who says camping//tunneling doesnt work? It's widely acknowledged to be the best way to win as killer.
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Look at any camping and tunneling discussion. Also there was the Scott Jund tunneling video on YouTube where he said how it was a "risk" and tons of people agreed and just followed his lead. So yeah, everywhere you look people say tunneling isn't as effective as it seems.
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You're making it worse.
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Do it, it would be hilarious.
I'm 100% behind you op
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Camping works because survivors mess up and try to go for a hook rescue.
If everyone recognised a camper and immediately jumped on a gen for the entire duration, they'd quickly stop getting any more than a 2K, maybe even 1K if they don't secure their first hook very early.
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Already ahead of you, fam. I will join your cause, I have lots of experience, so I feel I am perfect for this position.
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Its a form of protest, I won't judge you
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People using these strategies aren't the problem in the end. It's the devs not doing anything about it.
Honestly I am all for it. I am happy to see people complaining about how long killer queue times are. They should be. And maybe BHVR will realise they need to do something, hopefully before at the latest when the new chapter releases.
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This is not a good idea. One reason why is because it works both ways. If survivors suddenly find every killer face camps, this will spiral. People may not like a change, so unite and do something to force a fake, unrealistic scenario in the hope of change, and when that change is made and people return to normal, then there will be huge discrepencies again.
Another reason is that many more will leave, and if every killer is doing it then everyone simply won't play and the game completely collapses.
There are other reasons, and people may be able to illistrate even better ones, but as far as ideas go this is really problematic and rigs data.
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Maybe they are. If BHVR would fix the issue and fix solo then they wouldn't have to resort to it.
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If the game dies because of camping/tunneling its because BHVR refuses to do something about it not because people are doing it. Every match ive played today has been nothing but camping and tunneling and I've played for about 6 hours today.
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The worst part is how much of a catchup mechanic tunneling is. I ran the killer for 3 gens and then he camped me and got a 4k because my team kept trying to save me. Yes it was stupid of them but it's solo q, you can't coordinate.
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If you push this through then i really hope that you are pretty high in the MMR field.
If you are then I'm eagerly awaiting your videos of your experience. 😉😂
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Well you can play fair, lose because of it, and get teabagged and told to unalive yourself or gg ez. Same thing if you fail at camping or tunneling
or you can camp and tunnel and 4k and not have that happen
I'd pick winning personally
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Yes, but you would be manipulating a situation to a worse point. That isn't BHVR, that's the player.
There are going to be changes in future that can only be useful with proper data. The proposal you presented will only give false data that will mess things up and besides there will be adjustments in future. Suggestions are far more useful.
When I play killer, I shall not be doing this.
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Yea I tried to address this when I posted about killers letting survivors live and all I got was a bunch of killers saying they will do what they want or that they let full teams survive all the time. I had a guy post a picture out of spite of him letting all the survivors go in a match. I was also told that BHVR probably accounts for this when figuring out kill rates. So if that's the case then I'm gonna say that they are accounting for people that tunnel and camp on purpose.
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There is no doubt camping and tunneling was heavily buffed this patch. Longer gens, stronger gen regression, all killers buffed all across the board. Survivor perks that actually disable during endgame, while killers have endgame perks that can guarantee kills (tunneling is not punished either).
A protest is needed for the health of the game.
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“The killer did not play the way I prefer them to play, so I’m going to complain on the forums”.
That’s what my brain reads when I see all the posts like this.
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If there is a noted increase in this tactic since the patch, then it will eventually be addressed, but having everyone camp on purpose may result in something far worse.
There are choices in how to play, but if there is a type of play you despise, to then emulate this seems counterproductive.
Don't get me wrong: I don't like face-camping (not really worried about tunnelling or proxy camping), especially if its not needed (face-camping endgame I understand though), but this is the wrong way, and I'm sure you're not going to enjoy your games doing it. And why waste your gaming time playing it in a way you won't enjoy?
As a side, they could cpmbat face-camping perhaps either by adding a speedboost to the freed survivor, or taking a leaf out of Pyramid Head and transport a survivor to another hook if the killer is too close for too long (although after all gens are done I'd cancel this effect).
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Play civilization?
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Ah, it may be a good idea. Don't stop though.
That way, you'll see what teams are doing to counter you.
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If your choice of playing skews any of the metrics that the devs use to determine buffs/nerfs then its probabaly not a good idea to play that way. Problem is that, based on the responses I got on my post, people just don't care and will do what they want even if it creates a poor gaming experience for a certain group like solo. I do agree with the idea of transporting a survivor to another hook on the opposite side of the map if the killer is camping. That would solve the issue of both camping and tunneling imo.
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For example. -24% players in july doesn't sound very healthy for the game.
There is also a decrease in avg player base compared to July 2021.
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If I wasn't avoiding this game like COVID-19 then I'd fully commit to this protest. Basement Bubbas of the fog, hear my plea. Assemble! We have waited patiently for our moment and now is the time. Camp the basement hooks, Camp those normal hooks, and camp twice as hard on the scourge hooks. Show no limit to how far your camping skills can go.
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Yet it's not even at the same low as in April tho 😉
Besides there are other platforms for this game where we don't see the numbers of.
Luckily I'm not 1 of these 24%, i was 1 of them a month after MMR was introduced.
Edit: this game hasn't been in a healthy state since the beginning, tho it's getting there.
At low MMR survivors were easily beaten.
High MMR and the roles were reversed.
Been like that for years.
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The player count drops you’re seeing are due to massive spikes in player count that always happen during the anniversary events. Don’t quote player count drops without some context. Check recent daily averages/peaks vs recent history outside of special events and you’ll see that the player counts are not dropping.
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As much as I hate to say it, I heavily agree with this.
If someone has an issue with the game, joining into that issue doesnt solve anything, it only amplifies the issues of the game for others. If you want to have an impact on the game, just leave. We got huge meta changes on both sides due to people leaving, who's to say that tunneling and camping wont be addressed if survivors start leaving in the masses, and Im not trying to add more fuel to the fire by saying such, the fuel was already added by BHVR, look at the queue times.
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I have also been doing a similar protest, if the killer comes back to the hook to hit me after I get unhooked, I slow walk back to the hook. Enjoy your game, I'll see you in the next one :)
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a survivor playing killer is a protest alone. One survivor main playing killer is 5 more survs needed
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And it's the best form of protest, because it also offers those survivors perspective of the killer side and then we can all stop playing this side versus that side.
I hope they have as miserable of a time as I've had today playing killer. Genrushing is still very much a thing, the extra 10s per generator have done absolutely nothing. 1-2 hooks by end game, so I camp my final hook when the gates are open, and they still make the save, because camping is such an OP, totally uncounterable tactic that not even one healthy survivor can pull off with a 50/50 grab bait...
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If you can't beat them...
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1. People don't claim they are weak tactics.
2. Play as you wish, but if you disagree with it you aren't going to make the impact you hope and simply telling BHVR that you enjoy playing that way?
3. Solo survivors need an information buff, but playing a camping killer it not going to adjust that. Play solo survivor to give them accurate data.
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Do it then. Once your MMR rises high enough you'll learn why people say OTR is a great anti-tunneling perk. Then maybe after enough games with 0 to 2 hooks and no kills like quite a few of the tunnelers I faced today you'll have a more nuanced view of the issue and we'll have less of the 'Tunneling is an automatic 3K threads'!
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Or you could just play the game for fun and actually protest against a genuine problem in the world.
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So this is your villain origin story. Cool.
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Thank you! This is the perspective that many people, who don't play killer in earnest, are missing.
If you only occasionally play killer (especially if you switch them around and not always play the same one), then your MMR will be so low that you are easily slaughtering those poor starting survivors who are still scared of the sounds their own gens are making.
It takes some 30+ good matches to finally see those good survivors squads regularly, but once you do your killer life never will be the same again.
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I can kind of understand where you're coming from but believe me this is the completely wrong way to go about it. You're contributing to and amplifying the problem for the sake of raising awareness of it. If you browse this forum regularly then you'd know camping and tunnelling are spoken about to the ends of the earth. BHVR are already aware of tunnelling and camping. They buffed Off the Record to be a useful anti-tunnel perk and attempted to address it in solo queue by adding a 5 second basekit BT. They adjusted DS but for some reason gutted the stun time to the point it's much harder to counter tunnelling effectively (probably in an attempt to make DS less of a 'meta' perk).
What I'm saying is the issue you're protesting about is already being vocalised enough. The developers are clearly making some effort to discourage tunnelling and camping (longer gen times, easier to pressure, shorter chases) and obviously they are not perfect. What's important to note is that ultimately, there is no way tunnelling and/or camping can be REMOVED from the game. They can make it harder or less beneficial (Borrowed Time, old Decisive), but it is down to the killer to determine whether or not camping or tunnelling occurs. It's practically impossible to remove while taking into account typical gameplay. Seriously, how would you remove it? Make it so unhooked survivors are invincible? Force the killer to be at least 30 meters from the hook at all times? Such changes would shift the balance so far to the survivor side killers would leave in droves.
My advice would be to be the change you want to see in others. Continue to be an easy going killer rather than the numerous ones that want to tunnel at five gens to have a guaranteed win. Make the survivors' experience that much nicer. I can tell you that the games I had where the killer played 'fair' were much more fun and still almost always resulted in the killer doing really well while having the match's outcome be close. So I really encourage you to not give in to this tunnelling protest mentality.
Finally, be patient and wait for changes. This was an enormous update, probably the biggest meta shake up the game has ever seen. As you've seen people on the forums are very vocal. No dev worth their salt is going to immediately make changes based on some very vocal complaints. But I am sure they will make changes. I could see DS being reverted as a minimum.
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Well, camping is a risk. If the teammates just ignore the camping Bubba and rush gens with Prove Thyself and toolboxes the Bubba will end with probably only one or two kills.
Tunneling however is effective for simple mathematical reasons. 4 survivors are more efficient than 3, therefore it makes sense getting rid of one as soon as possible to remove 25% of their efficiency for the rest of the game. The only possible fix to this is to make gen repair speed and healing escalate with the number of survivors still alive in a way that 4 survivors have the same efficiency as 3 and so on.
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It's a risky move, if all the survivors switch to killer it might skew the data and killers will end up receiving more buffs.
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Sameee and as killer I've also been camping and tunnelling and normally getting 4k's
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You're....not protesting anything? You're literally just adding to the problem, no one will see adding one more killer camping and tunneling a problem
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Or just don't take anything personally and not worry about what an idiot says online?
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Yes because BHVR didn't know about camping and tunneling before but now that you're doing it they'll definitely notice.
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It's all fair, you have to lose in chase for killers to get the down anyway.
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Camping and tunneling were issues before, and the devs (and most killers) not only call it a valid strategy, they also buffed it with longer gen times and shorter chases.
So using a valid tactic that got buffed is now a manipulation? Are only people who tunneled and camped before allowed to do it?
How would that give false data? On how often that tactic is used? On how often it results in a 4k? What data exactly do you think is falsifyed here?
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It really is too bad the devs are clueless about where the skill is in this game. It is in chases. A killer camping and tunneling the first hook takes away all skill from both sides.
The survivors must sit on gens and do them as fast as possible, and the killer goes for the weakest, easiest target.
It really is unfortunate that if I face a lobby as killer, and I go for each survivor, trying for 12 hooks, not standing by the hook to force a 2nd hook state, I will objectively get a result worse than if I face that same lobby and simply hard tunnel the first survivor I catch out of the game. One strategy takes skill and consistency, and one "strategy" just reduces the game to a 1v1 game, removing the other three players from the equation, forcing them to do gens as fast as possible.
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@sulaiman The data being falsified is because people choose to play a different way in protest, as opposed to playing how they want to, in an attempt to alter data that could have a more dramatic response because of a sudden surge. You said it was happening before - we know - and if killers decide to do it more after the update then the devs will notice and it may change. However, if every killer did this then the devs may completely overcompensate. Also, it would be making a situation way worse than it is. And we still don't honestly know how many of those who claim this happens actually have experienced it, misinterpreted a situation, or flat out lying. It clearly happens, and some have shown evidence. But I highly doubt everyone who claims it actually suffers from it.
It's like not being happy with bin collections every fortnight when they used to be weekly, so people dump the rubbish and let vermin get to it and claim this is what fortnightly collections do, when they have plenty of room still, or too lazy to sort it. It harms more than it helps.
Let data happen naturally. If this is increased, it will show to the devs. And put suggestions through. Heck, bombard the devs! But don't ruin other people's fun just because you want to make a point. It's obvious already - why make a silly decision to prove what's already there?
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Protest is just another word for temper tantrum.
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