Should Killers Have To Play a Near Perfect Game to Get a 4K?

With the way the game is now, I don't think Its very hard to get a 4k if your playing dirty. If I want 4ks I camp a 3 gen and just simply vibe. Drown out the game as much as possible, and with current slowdowns its not very difficult. If this is the definition of a perfect game then sure.

But a more ideal "perfect game" for both sides would be one with multiple chases, and a constant back n forth. A game of cat and mouse. Most games I play like this are not resulting in 4ks, usually 3 or 2ks.

So I guess it just depends on that specific person's view of what a win is. 4ks feel great, but I wouldn't count it as necessary for a win.

if you're not running slowdown, then what he said is mostly correct, but it depends on what killers you're playing as. Slowdown however is there to let you make mistakes without punishing you too much. It gives you extra time to make mistakes.

It is a PvP game, not a game vs AIs, the average should be 2k, with 4k being an exception.

It's like saying "I have to play a near perfect game to get the highest score on my the team in CS:GO" or some other game. Well, yes, you do.

...dredge...OP? Yeah ok, good joke

Your friend does not sound good killer. Before patch I 3K+ giving hatch and 4K most my games. Half of my wins were easy and other half I had to work for. Some games I lost because I made mistake so as killer you have to play perfectly if you wan 90% win rate or at least before patch. Now I think you can make mistakes az killer even agains't good survivors and you can still win even if they don't do.

yes, and all 4 survivors should have to play perfectly for a 4E.

You shouldn't have to, but it can feel like it. How quickly you can get a down, how long your chases last, the value of your perks, the map you get, a lot of stiff can suddenly make or break a game depending on how everything goes.

I think a huge reason for these issues comes down to the fact that a Killer can only rely on themselves, except Nemesis who has to pray he gets the zombies that share a brain cell rather than the complete joke zombie AI tends to be. As a Survivor I can at least go in knowing I have teammates a play accordingly.

Will I be the gen jockey, the hook savior, will I run the Killer? My role can change depending on what the other 3 do. As a Killer I have to be able to get quick downs and snowball to get the 4K. This is where I always like to point out that no matter whay the devs say, or the community says, for a vast majority of Killers the 4K is a win, and MMR agrees.

Its the same reason SWF groups get dodged. Do people really have an issue with friends playing together? I doubt it, and at least I don't. But the information that they do share (essential having basekit Kindred, Alert, Empathy, Object of Obsession) combined with the Killer not being able to do anything about it makes games feel even less fun.

This in turn I feel leads to Killers feeling the need to camp and tunnel, because securing a quick kill DOES make the game easier. When I play if I can find a weak link early on I get them out quickly, because than there is one less Survivor working on a gen, or healing. Same thing with camping. Sometimes you need to secure the kill.

Had a game as Dredge a while back on Coldwind. I had downed and hooked a Dwight, and I did leave him. None of his teammates went to save him til close to 2nd stage, and by than I was chasing a Namcy who led me back to Dwight. Now I had all 3 Survivors around this Dwight and I kept chasing them off. Eventually Nancy rushes for the save injured, I down her, and see Dwight had only a few seconds left so I just stared at him til he died. Nea rage quit, amd Nancy and Elodie died quickly, and I got spammed with hate messages over it.

But that was a unique circumstance right? How about a Mikey game where I went against really good players. I had brought Infinite T3 but couldn't get the pop until 1 gen left (was going for his Adept at the time). Well I had sacrificed a Dette, and get my T3 to pop and down a Nea just as last gen pops. So I hook her near a door and wait, and sure enough I see a Meg running around. I start to go after her, only to double back amd catch Feng going for the unhook.

Down her, wait for Nea to die, than pick up Feng cause I figured Meg had ran. She did not, she ran past me to the door, so I dropped Feng, chased her and downed her and she DCd. Hook and kill Feng and again, get hit with hate messages after.

In both of those games I did what were sensible options in the situations I was in, and got flak over it. So if Im going to get flak for it even when its the obvious choice to do, might as well do it all the time.

Didn't mean to turn that into a camping thing at the end, but my point was simply that Killers shouldn't need to play perfectly to get a 4K, but there are so many circumstances out of a Killers control that if a Killer wants to get 4Ks consistently, they more often than not need to play "dirty"

They should have to play a near perfect game if the survivors they are going against are also playing extremely well.

If not, then it should just depend on who plays better. And if the killer clealry plays better, they should be rewarded with a win, a 3 or 4k.

And to be fair, the baseline buffs to killers really helped with this. Killers now have more time at base to deal with their own objective, having a fairer chance at winning if they play better than the survivor team. If playing fairly, their objective can take a bit, so gens being 90 seconds was very good change.

The biggest problem is that tunneling and camping also remained just as effective, or were even buffed, with this patch. So killers also have an insanely easy way out to win, that takes very little skill. That and certain slowdown perks just being too strong in combination with 90 second gens are the problem with this game's balance right now.

You can't outscore every survivor if you 1K because you're MMR is brought down 3 times by the 3 that escaped. Also, need I remind you this is an asymmetrical game, it doesn't work off of linear balance.

Yeah I think so but 3ks shouldn't take as much serious effort and 2ks should be your average regardless of your strategy or killer. So for average/chill killers 2ks should be normal or frequent, and for good killers a 3k should be more frequent, and for sweaty competitive streamer killers with thousands of followers 4ks should be the most frequent outcome.

I was watching one of Sledge's videos talking about asyym balance (he streams Evil Dead) and he made some really good points. In an asymm, balance-wise, the 4 part of the 4v1 should be the ones that win if they all play perfectly. If you have both sides playing perfectly then it really should be the team of 4 that win, whether that means a victory in evil dead or a 3-4 escape in dbd. If both sides play perfectly and the killer/demon wins then it's a sign of gameplay imbalance skewed towards the killer. Part of the reasoning is that it takes far more skill to keep a team of 4 people perfectly coordinated (comms or not) whereas for the killer/demon they only have to worry about their own gameplay and mistakes and communication isn't an issue at all.

I think dbd was already pretty killer-sided pre 6.1.0. There's so many killer main streamers and just regular players who would get really high win streaks. I think the real issue was killes getting frustrated by how much more difficult their games were getting as they won more. The two roles have opposite learning curves. ie a baby survivor has a super hard time with tons of stuff to learn before they can start seeing their win rate improve but after they've put in time (like a ton of time) the game starts getting better winrate-wise whereas with killer they start out having a major advantage and with easy high winrates that dont require much skill but as time goes on they get to s point where suddenly they need to start mastering a ton of skills. Killers like to complain on this forum and elsewhere but despite their complaints I know most of them still win on average 50-65% of their matches. It's just that it's very challenging to consistently do that. Rather than look at their own skill as the issue as to why its so difficult many of them blame a game mechanic. Not long ago there were killers on this forum complaining about survivors being able to run without getting tired lol like yeah, let's add a stamina bar lmao The truth is that survivor is extremely hard at first and gets easier as you master tons of skills, and killer is super easy at first but gets harder.

I think killers should have a fair chance, FAIR chance, at 2king against survivors who play perfectly in every way, but in no way should they be able to comfortably 3 or 4k against those groups unless the survivors make a mistake that plays to the killers favor.