How could you make it so unfun for survivors?

I do agree with some changes but I definitely dont agree with couple, and playing SOLO-Q is a bit unfun, so many DCs, suicides on first hook etc. Also many campers and tunnelers, mostly annoying is when the nurse or blight is tunneling etc.

As SOLO-Q survivor main I didnt touch survivors for 4 days, I was playing killers, If Killer players ll say the buffs didnt help them, then they do something wrong for sure !!!! I could feel buffs playing different killers.

I was playing against some SWF teams but I had a bit broken builds so it was fun. Mostly We do play against solo survivors tho, I was feeling its little unfair playing Plague with tana + playing + pentimento. M1 killers - call of brine, overcharge, eruption - this is nasty a bit too.

I never had so Large win rate with killers before tho. As survivor I like game too, but playing against Nurses and Blights is a bit more difficult now, I m not talking about newbies in the game. Anyway lot of survivors throwing the games so it can be unfun.

I had a game once were I was doing a meme build with both: Flashbangs and Blastmines, coupled with Haddies now "blind the killer" perk.

I got that poor Trickster 3 times with a Blastmine and 2 times with a Flashbangs. I know this, because I got 5 ticks on my "blind the killer 10 times" tome challenge that game.

We have some amazing matches from time to my time, don't we?

I have one to tell, a story I've shared with the Forums before. It is an Old DBD tale, of course, but it is still fresh in my mind.

So there I was, playing Survivor on Old Shelter Woods against an Insta-Saw Billy. Said Billy was easily one of the best killer players I've ever seen: full P3 and extremely aggressive, barely gave us any time to do our objective.

But us Survivors did not back down. Even as Solo Queue, we would prevail.

We fought tooth and nail, really gave it our all. One could say that trial was a test of skill, in a way.

In the end, only two of us escaped. A tie, by my standards, but damn it felt like a victory.

And at the time it was a victory to be proud of! Now it is a treasured memory from a better time...

New Dead Hard is hard to use, but that's the point - old Dead Hard was overpowered and should not have had the breadth of utility it had. Either get good at the new one or learn to utilize a different exhaustion perk, and if you can't do either, accept that you were reliant on a function that they decided to remove from the game. New DS was overnerfed for no reason but Off the Record is just as good if not better, so the anti-tunnel situation hasn't really changed that much.

If the balance of the game has changed so that one survivor can't spend the whole match running around trying to bait a chase - as in, the team had a good shot of getting gens done when only 3/4 of them are trying - that's a good thing. "Defensive" gameplay, or actually doing gens and trying to evade the killer, is how the game is meant to be played. I think this patch is pretty messed up, but in your case, it sounds like it's working as intended.

Like, if you want to complain about them nerfing MoM of all things, I'll be right with you, but Dead Hard deserved what it got.

So find a perk that works better for you. DH was incredibly busted and had no business lasting since version 2.0.0 basically untouched (sans the addition of hit validation, which was a buff).

There's plenty of viable perk combinations, and it is possible to use new DH successfully. All I'm getting from your posts in this thread is "I'm bad at the game now that my crutch perk isn't free anymore and I refuse to adapt, so I'm going to complain about it instead."

Survivors cannot afford to be inefficient anymore, which is how it always should have been. If you're complaining that you should be able to goof around the whole match and still win... I don't even know how to argue against that kind of twisted logic.

The fact that you got the math wrong has already been covered by another poster - and my other points?

Did you play much in the last... 9? months? Server-side hit validation made Dead Hard much more reliable and its strengths got magnified as a result. People could time it so that they could use it after the killer started lunging and always dodge the hit. Plus using it to reach a pallet or vault was particularly uncounterable and that's primarily what all the racket was about.

Again, the DS nerf was stupid, but I've found no issues swapping to Off the Record. The only time OTR is worse than DS is if you're camped and the killer hits you off the hook.

From my perspective (as someone who didn't use DH much), 0.5s is kinda a short time to deal with and honestly with the kind of lag dbd experiences it threw me that they would have such a short timer on it. They mentioned adding an animation or something to clue the killer in to when it was being used, so I would expect they could balance the timing to like 1s and make the animation more obvious or what have you.

I do agree with DS being 4s. I get 5s is a loooooong time as a killer to be just staring at your screen in frustration, and I do get that a lot of people used it "maliciously" i.e. baiting the killer into a grab, but...I don't know if 3s is really enough time to escape. Hopefully the numbers will show whether it's enough or not though.

Personally, and something that no one mentions, is that it's super nice not to get farmed off the hook by fellow survivors. Yes there's tunnelling and camping, but at least there's no insta-downs when you did nothing wrong, and that's a huge win for the game honestly.

The thing is, new DH is totally working as intended. It's meant to be risky and needs perfect timing otherwise the killer hits you anyway. This is because a perfect 'you can't hit me' shield was deemed overpowered; if it always works, it's a third health state. Dead Hard was nerfed. That was always the point of the change. I've still had people use it correctly on me - even consistently - so it's not impossible to use now, just way less easy.

It's not a new playstyle this game is favoring. What you're being encouraged to do now is actually spend some time doing the game's objectives instead of chasing the killer trying to get aggro or to pull off killer grasp saves for the entire game. I get that that's a lot more exciting than gens, but is it difficult to understand that if the survivor team regularly has the free space to ######### around while the killer has to 100% commit to their objective for a chance to win, the game is unbalanced? I'm not saying it's balanced in its current state, because solo queue is a nightmare at the moment, but the glory days you're talking about were objectively bad for the balance of the game. If that playstyle isn't tenable anymore, that's a good thing.

Most of the gen slow down perks got nerfed or gutted, what are you even talking about? Only a few of them got remotely buffed, and one of them already got slapped down harder than Icarus himself. If your 1 minute time you're touting is about matches in general, then allow me to present similar hyperbolie: It used to take as low as 1:40 to do 5 gens with no other factors, positive or negative applied. It now takes 2 minutes.

Well, allow me to break this one down for you, since you are very much wrong.

Generator repairs got changed from 80 seconds (1 C/S) to 90 seconds (1 C/S), and since there are 5 generators that are required to be repaired (7 total that spawn), it would be 50 extra seconds total added to generator repairs.

This however, in-game does not mean the match is going to last another 50 seconds. Survivors can split and work on generators to increase the repair speed, if someone is taking chase, you will have 3 different survivors repairing separate generators, meaning that it will take 3 survivors 90 seconds to complete 3 generators. The other 2 being split adds an additional 90 seconds. This creates an efficiency ratio of 1 generator repaired every 36 seconds. To put it into perspective, the efficiency ration before the update was 1 generator repaired every 32 seconds of repairing.

This of course isnt considering that people need to run and find generator, but honestly that isnt really much of an issue for experience survivors since generator spawns (while random) do have consistent spawn points areas, since you did state you were high MMR you should have an issue with this at all (even though we cant see our own MMR, but whatever).

As this thread is turning heated and argumentitive, I am going ahead and closing this up here, and feedback noted. Please remember that everyone is free to disagree with one's thoughts on the game, or how the game is played within the Game Rules and EULA. However, it is always asked, and part of the Forum Rules, to keep your responses civil and respectful, and refrain from attacking one another.