Why can’t we dc if there’s just two of us and I’m on the ground?

Should a slugged survivor be able to heal another slugged survivor, at say 25% healing speed?

This still makes slugging a strategy but nerfs boring gameplay.

If you're the last survivor, you're on the ground, and the killer is refusing to hook you... the jury's already out on sportsmanship, man.

because you're acting like it happens far more often than it does. and if it does happen that often for you, it's much more likely to be a form of reprisal. maybe thats why it happens so rarely to me, who knows? Fact of the matter is youre complaining about the timer specifically because of bming (which i have not once defended) and not the actual mechanic of a bleed out timer itself (which is what i have been defending)

if you want to introduce this, let killers quit without needing to disconnect. They can be pretty helpless in matches too sometimes, and they even had to make it so killers could start the EGC themselves at endgame because survivors were able to delay the game further even with its introduction. And yet again, as per BHVR if the situation will resolve itself there is no hostage taking in the game. They actively changed many mechanics to prevent actual hostage taking. You could argue you're "being put in time out," but that will literally always exist in the game to some degree. My argument isn't even that you shouldn't have an option to forfeit a game, just that people only wanting when it specifically affects them is an extremely childish mindset for a pvp game. Its just as childish as the people who perpetrate it, so i dont have a whole lot of sympathy.

I hope you don't also think i call people palookas in real life too. That would be silly.

The entitlement comments are because the perspective is so self centered it's unreal. Like how can you even survive playing this game and not be willing to come to terms with the fact you will have games that are completely unfair, or that you'll have situations where you have no potential? This is the absolute wrong game for that kind of mindset. And my choice is that both sides both have strategic purposes for the actions as well as BM ones, like i said before. Many slugs will cry that they were left to bleed out when they hid in a corner while running IW and the killer simply couldnt find them, just like some killers will afk before the egc started and then complain that the survivors didnt finish and leave before they were forced too. I just want people to consider the bigger picture before complaining about "the side they don't like" and I especially want people to stop trying to dress me up like a scarecrow.

You're talking about forfeiture, which is something entirely different. Hostage doesn't mean without end; you can be held hostage for four minutes. Specifically, my use of the term is just that. The word is immaterial; you can use whatever you desire. Prisoner or captive comes to mind. The EGC launched with both the Survivor and The Killer being able to trigger it, even during the PTB. If you're slugged at the end, the outcome is locked, so it isn't forfeiture to bleed yourself out. It is a mechanism to accelerate the inevitable result and avoid the unnecessity waiting of four minutes.

I'm not going to waste my time addressing your emotional points about childish behavior displayed by some. Yes, it's terrible but has nothing to do with this. And regarding the frequency, do you have stats or data confirming it happens less often than you suggest? I'd love to see that slugging data. People usually express feedback based on their experience, which doesn't lessen its value. So it goes without saying that someone who experiences lots of slugging will be more inclined to discuss it and propose remedies.

People bm each other on all sides in this game (including survivors doing it to each other) so calling out one specific thing because you specifically experienced it and got the big sad over it is different than thinking similar considerations should apply to other instances of it. Not considering them is one thing, but starting a cherry picking contest to be able to continue whining is literally being unwilling to accept an outcome you disagree with. You either accept it and move on, or you expand your considerations. Its also worth mentioning the entitled comment was because of how that specific person was droning on and on about how the game needed to adhere to them, instead of the other way around. TBH you specifically sound like we agree with a lot more things in regards to this stuff, so don't take anything i said to anyone else personally.

As for the two scenario comparisons at the end, I mostly agree. Again, running a perk like Unbreakable can absolutely restart games with multi-slugs, basically narrowing it down to killer-standing-over-you-BM, which is indeed essentially the game has ended. This game has spent years telling people to suck it up and wait these situations out, on both sides. If a change is made to prevent it, i would only welcome it if it was equal for both sides, but we know that will never be the case. They even managed to screw up the mori/key rework, which just ended up being 2 lines of code switched on each side with a long wait due to "the complexity of the change" for one side. There are universal problems in the game but i don't support changes unless those, too, are universal. If they actually are? 100%. Until then it just becomes more us vs them/whataboutism/pick your logic fallacy of choice really.

If nothing else let's appeal to people's sense of economy. Let's say you're 7-10 minutes into a match, and you're downed, only one other surv alive, killer slugging for 4K. Now is it worth losing all the points you'd get to get out a couple minutes faster? That time is already sunk cost, why get nothing for it? The game will be over soon regardless.

I am opposed to any non-hacking related DC, but I can at least see the reasoning behind some early game DCs (though they are selfish).

DCing late in a game is just nonsensical. Crawl to an open space and go get a drink or something.

Im surprised it hasnt come up yet, but what ever happened with the "husk" idea? I remember they floated a possibility of having survivors DCing leave their body in the game, and it being able to be hooked but not unooked or something. That would be a good place to start to set up the groundwork for a forfeit option. Would also open room for pairity with the killer, like letting them quit and having the exit gates/egc open while their husk is transported to the basement. Again, its not even that I'm against having solutions for these situations, they just have to be "actual" solutions, and not just "im on this side, i dont like this situation, gimme gimme."

The mods/community reps have commented on hostage situation claims multiple times in threads, usually because of similar situations like this one. They always emphasize that situations that will naturally conclude the game are not considered as such. The reason for that is because the ones they do specifically consider hostage situations are actually bannable offenses. If you are expanding it outside of that you need to expand your considerations: Is a killer who is literally unable to get downs and/or kills being held hostage if the survivors are purposely playing inefficient to drag out the game? Is farming on either side holding the game hostage? Where are you allowed to draw the line?

Also you're mistaken if you think that allowing survivors to nope out with no consequence falls in line with that. They DO give you the option to disconnect, its even a button on the esc menu. They DO think you should penalized for doing so, however, especially since people used to abuse that kind of thing for "hatch tech" before the hatch change. Likewise they likely feel if the killer had an option to quit then they would take it the second the first 3 gens pop before the first hook. Hell, their reason for not even allowing killers to see if a group is SWF is because they assume they will all give up and dodge the lobby the second they see it, same as we all assume would happen. They know people want to give up and go next the second they don't have an advantage, and they know people abuse these things to the point that their proper usage can suffer as a result. Thats why almost any method of leaving the game early includes a penalty, even when its a legit internet connection issue. The only exclusion to that is suiciding on hook, because they refuse to change anything internally for them to be able to tell the difference.

For the stats I never meant to imply anything, especially with this game. All anyone has is their anecdotal evidence, even BHVR's own statistics are polluted in almost every respect. You can only draw rather specific information from them, stuff like perk/killer/survivor pickrates, total number of generators completed, all the happy feel good infographics you see on anniversaries basically. Always assume anything anyone says about the game is anecdotal, because only the most general and self evident stats about the game have any relevancy. Even the math for things in game with actual numbers that people can see gets thrown around incorrectly all the time.

Why are you talking about hostage situations when I'm focused on being a prisoner? Somebody could argue whether or not those situations are hostage, but that doesn't mean those situations would be eligible for a bleed-out. That's another discussion.

I never said anything about the bleed-out being carte blanche. I narrowed it to those situations where the outcome is locked, such as the last one or two slugged. In that situation, you should have the option to bleed out. You're broadening the discussion too much. I'm laser-focused on these specific cases of being prisoners. The devs could have probably revisited some of those situations, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take action on things like this.

And you're right about the stats. I don't even bother with them.

PS the mods/community reps don't always represent the devs. We have a new noun to use: prisoner, so whatever they define as a hostage is inconsequential.

That's not a viable option, and it's unnecessary. How could bleeding out, in that case, be abused?

The Killer can see those offerings too. They aren't secret.

The devs could add a conditional timer to the bleed-out. For example, when two survivors remain, you can bleed out after being in the dying state for XX seconds. Or even limit the bleed-out option for the last survivor.

Yes, crawling Dwight mounts the other survivor and wiggles as the healing animation.

Seriously though this tactic is countered by perks if you really hate being slugged. When I get slugged I immediately start crawling away from the killer and get to a pallet, flashlight-friendly open area, or some hidden spot far away so I can be healed later or find the hatch. Most killers will hook you immediately and you can punish them if they do not.

In my very first match of DBD in 2016 I crawled out the hatch. Slippery snakes make use of being low.

That unwillingness doesn't preclude them from changing or offering options in other situations. Sometimes the development team lacks the appetite to address certain topics.

Knowingly letting an outlier corrupt their internal data that they use for decision making and analysis is a lot more important to a game than whether fringe cases get to leave early and not be penalized. Its just not a priority.

Slugging someone instead of tunneling them out of the game is generally well-received because that person still has a chance to play the game, unlike poor Steve who was tunneled out of the game at 5 gens.

Well that can be abused by swf's. If there was a way for killers to get the 4th without having to slug I'm pretty sure those killers would.

They already announced plans to address the "bleeding out the last survivor" problem by auto-mori-ing them, so that specific situation isn't really worth considering here.

I just run a no mither build to avoid being slugged, people seem to forget this perk and it PISSES the HELL out of killers when they lose their 4K because of it. Tenacity + No mither go BRRRRR.

That's my only real counter to sluggers, anyways. If not I just find something else better to do and not let them have the satisfaction of seeing me sweat. We dont really have a choice but to wait this out and hope the dev's revert the update cause all it did was make this worse NGL. Though slugging in any circumstance that isnt to avoid tunneling is unacceptable

Of course so. This is one reason why slugging is part of the game and needs to stay that way. There are others. What needs to be addressed is the specific situation of a killer being an ass and slugging someone (or multiple someones) only to watch them bleed out.

It is, because there's an end timer, so "play out" the 4 minutes you're on the ground, as in don't be such a wimp and go make a sandwich or something, lol