slugging after 2k is the new norm

Slugging for the 4K has been a thing for ages, and it doesn't have anything to do with queue times or bloodpoints, it's simply people that for some reason feel the need to kill every last survivor every time and are willing to spend 4+ minutes searching rather than risk getting a 3K + potential hatch escape. I almost never do it (pretty much only if I need it for a challenge or whatever), and not even just because I don't care that much about the last kill, but also because it's simply more exciting to enter into the race for hatch than it is to search for a survivor for minutes on end.

That said, as a survivor in this situation you obviously have the option to hide until the other survivor bleeds out. Apart from this being boring for yourself too however, there's the issue that the killer can pick up the other survivor and either carry them around or have them wiggle off, meaning they can prolong the game indefinitely. Healing the other survivor up usually serves no purpose either though, it will just result in an even longer game the conclusion of which is foregone, with the potential of you then ending up on the floor slugged for yet another 4+ minutes.

What I usually do in these situations if there's more than 1 generator left to be repaired (i. e. if a conventional escape is basically impossible) and if the slugged survivor is not already close to bleeding out, is that I simply spam a vault to let the killer know where I am in order to initiate a final chase. I don't care enough about escaping to spend minutes hiding either, I rather get one more chase out of it and call it a match. Plus if I end up holding the chase long enough for the other survivor to bleed out I still get the chance of a hatch escape.

In general I think BHVR's approach to these and various other endgame scenarios is really rather lacking. The least they could do is implement some band-aid solutions to make them less tedious and boring. For the "slugging the second-to-last survivor for the 4K" situation, they could simply implement the option for the slugged survivor to kill themselves in that spot, forcing the game into the hatch game conclusion. Of course, the hatch game itself is another endgame scenario with design issues: if the killer finds the hatch first, they can simply stand on it indefinitely and refuse to close it until they spot the survivor, because that guarantees they get that last kill. So it too would need some band-aid remedies, such as making it so the hatch closes by itself if the killer is within a certain range of it for a certain amount of time. Then the players get forced into the 1V1 gate endgame scenario, which too has its issues. For one thing, the gate spawns can mean that it is completely impossible for a survivor to open a gate. The remedy for that would obviously be having set gate spawns on the maps, or at least gate spawn algorithms that make it so they are always more toward opposite ends of the map. There are also killer abilities that can allow players to guard both gates effortlessly (e. g. Bear Traps, Victor, Vile Purge), which could be remedied too. They could also remove the gate switch light indicators in the 1V1 scenario, or at least make it so that the first light only activates halfway through the opening interaction (which could be a global change as well).

If I down the 3rd and I see the 4th I will go for it.

Otherwise, it is hook and book.

Unless the fourth survivor is already right in front of me when the 3rd goes down, I am not bothering to slug, I don't understand why that 4K is so valuable.

Chances are I still make it to the hatch first anyway, and if not, so what, that's 1 less kill to push my MMR up into the danger zone, and 3K is still a 'win' to me.

For some reason I always get this with Nemesis. Nemesis love the 4K.

You think this is new?

A long long time ago In a asymmetrical game far far away, there were always 4 survivors fighting to get all 5 gens done.

Then they figured out how to do it optimally to get it done fast.

Then 1 day that killer got so mad the gens went so fast that he came up with an idea "what if i keep 1 survivor on the ground, than there will be less on the gens"

And so he discovered slugging.

The end

It's a necessary thing considering the devs saw fit to give the hatch as participation trophy for the last survivor standing. How else is the killer supposed to prevent a situation in which he has to constantly look for the hatch only to find some ######### survivor teabagging him atop of it?

New norm? This strategy has been around for years.

Indeed.

The 4th survivor could help the 3rd or do gens, but they rather wait for the hatch to be given to them. Im actually pretty sure most often the last 2 survivors will rather wait for each other to die than keep doing gens. That strategy of "just outliving other survs" has been around for years and is on the survivors, not the killer.

You've taken the honest path which is to blame the devs for the bad game design. It's not fair to expect the 4th survivor to give up and it's not fair to expect the killer to give up either. The issue is that the situation shouldn't have arised in the first place.

This every time. If I am one of the last 2 survivors and the killer slugs the other one I will absolutely hide. It always amazes me that the killer behaviors survivors hate the most are usually the ones survivors themselves make the most rewarding.

Chances are whoever's bleeding out was the one trying to play out the game, when there are two people left one of them is already playing for the hatch and waiting for the other person to get caught at a gen.

This has always been the norm in about 70% of matches in which I don't escape from. It may be a 'valid tactic' but it's far too common and needs more counterplay.

I think its kind of silly to say that the killer or the last survivor are doing anything wrong or underhanded in this situation. The killers job is to kill as many people as possible, the survivors job is to escape. The killer in this situation is trying to make sure the last survivor cannot escape, the last survivor is trying to hide long enough for a shot at hatch.

Either both players are doing something wrong/wasting time, or neither of them are. You aren't owed the killer giving the survivor more chance to escape, and you aren't owed the survivor just walking up and letting you hook them either.

This is exactly how I do it as well unless I need the 4k for a challenge or adept and I normally feel kind of bad.

I cant stand the entitlement in the comments...

The killer has essentially got a 4k at that point as long as he gets the last survivor. Killing the 3rd survivor only leads to the 4th getting 2 free chances to escape: 1 because of hatch, and 1 because closing the hatch powers the exit gates. I don't know why the devs thought it was a good idea to give survivors a free escape. "Because there's no point in continuing to play otherwise." Yes there is. You keep trying to push gens so that you can escape, even if you fail, so that the game progresses and ends fair and square. If not, you deserve to have your aura shown to the killer. That's my take on a proper anti-"holding the game hostage" mechanic. It's not fair that "holding the game hostage" is always presumed to be something killers do, but never survivors, and so survivors get a free escape chance and killers get nothing. Honestly, think of the killer for once.

I love how the blame is always on the killer.

The last time when I slugged for the 4K was, when I did my Trickster Adept on rank 1 (old rank system). Hell, it was annoying af. Otherwise it is a waste of my (and the survivors) time.