Flannel should be basekit for Nurse
Flannel being basekit would not ruin anything, would just be more welcoming to new nurse players, since she is already a killer with a very hard gameplay to learn and actually do well against good survivors (which is not a problem, but nurse is performing bad because of the lack of incentives to new players), plus the fact that the flannel being basekit would function like a accessibility feature for those who cannot perform her gameplay due to issues who can be very frustrating and inaccessible to them personally. The new player should be able to play nurse satisfaying enough just like the veteran does, though for obvious reasons even with flannel the veteran dbd players would still perform well compared to new players, but with flannel being basekit it would be, again, more welcoming for those starting to play nurse and her unique gameplay, as well as Dead By Daylight; for these reasons, flannel becoming basekit would be a great idea.
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I'd personally find it very distracting and actually harmful for people who are already used to her muscle memory. It could be an accessibility feature that you can turn on if you want to.
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True, would also be a good idea.
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I certainly can't see any problems with reducing the margin for error with one of the strongest killers in the game.
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In a perfect world, training wheels addons would not be addons
There would be a setting that let you toggle such things as accessibility features
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Acessibility is good, even with flannel good survivors on lerys can perform well against nurse. Is not like her best addons were becoming basekit, flannel is not strong at all. Acessibility is always good, no matter the game; not only for a more inclusive space, but also welcoming.
Nurse would become more optimal and easier for people that is having a hard time to learn her due to lack of accessibility; pyramid head needs quality of life changes, he was perfect before nerf and now he is too clunky and predictable, so the best alternative to pyramid head (my main) is nurse, so the flannel should be basekit because there is no reason for it to not be base-kit; spirit didnt needed nerf, but okay, and blight is already perfect; of course most of the other killers need buffs and quality of life changes (such as trickster, pyramid, doctor, dredge, leatherface, onryo, myers and some other killers), but that is for another discussion, the discussion here is about nurse having the flannel as basekit, which would be very fun for those who are not included.
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Great idea! But why even have Flannel when they could just make it so the Nurse can lock onto the nearest person in their blink? I know the Nurse can already queue attacks in blink to make it impossible for the survivors to react, but it needs to be even easier. Playing the nurse and landing her blinks is just too hard, and I really think you should be able to lock onto survivors if you blink and they are within a 10 metre range.
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Acessibility is always good on gaming and pretty much every community dedicated to a open-minded entertaiment comunity like the one from Dead by Daylight. Nurse is not overpowered, even with flannel the player can have a hard time against a good survivor. Accessibility is good and necessary not only for a more inclusive space but for a more welcoming addition to it.
Nurse would become more optimal and easier for people that is having a hard time to learn her; pyramid head needs quality of life changes, he was perfect before nerf and now he is too clunky and predictable, so the best alternative to pyramid head (my main) is nurse, so the flannel should be basekit because there is no reason for it to not be base-kit; spirit didnt needed nerf, but okay, and blight is already perfect; of course most of the other killers need buffs and quality of life changes (such as trickster, pyramid, doctor, dredge, leatherface, onryo, myers and some other killers), but that is for another discussion, the discussion here is about nurse having the flannel as basekit, which would be very fun. Inclusiveness and accessibility are never a bad idea.
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That would be a buff, not a accessibility feature, which is related to another discussion.
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As others have said it would be distracting for those used to the muscle memory. Also tbh using that addon doesn't help you that much in learning Nurse. Makes you look more at the indicator rather than learning distances through muscle memory. As an accessibility option for those with disabilities I get it, but otherwise you are doing yourself a disservice by using that addon.
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Which is why the idea of it being able to turn on and off would also work well.
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I'll be real, plaid flannel is mostly just annoying and makes it hard to see where you're going. I already dislike playing nurse, but that would make it worse
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Same, i had a very hard time learning Nurse
because people told me to use it, once I stopped is when I got better.
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Better than making it basekit, making it a option that can be turned on and off, would work better as a accessibility feature.
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I feel like you're confusing accessibility and "I don't want to spend an hour or two learning simple timing".
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Wrong, accessibility should always be a concern that is valid. Flannel is not op or game breaking, no need to despise a always valid idea of inclusion.
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Please don't encourage more people to play Nurse.
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This isn't an accessibility issue, though.
Literally the only obstacle keeping Nurse balanced (she's not, lol) is the margin for error that comes from her ability. You want to remove that margin for error.
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I agree. But the blind point may be reduced, so as not to disturb too much.
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Yep and the one for victors pounce too and a crosshair for ranged killers and artists birds should highlight to let you know when to launch them
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Nothing wrong with it, a good feature. Nothing game breaking about it, no funereal remarks needed either.
Flannel distracts the player to learn, helps with accessibility and those that need it. A veteran nurse player is not using flannel.
That would be a aim for ranged killers, victor would go to that category even if twins is not a ranged killer. A aim fixed pn the screen would not be bad either, but this comparison is flawed and unrelated. Bird does not need aim, her crows are obvious and she is accessible enough, fortunately.
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No there is an add on for twins that gives a plaid flannel for victors pounce it isnt auto aim. It should also be active for demogorgon for his shreds
A crosshair on the screen wouldnt be auto aim either it would just give you a visual aim point on the screen for huntress it could even show the arc of the hatchet like some fps games have for grenades.
For artist it could show the bird flightpath like a laser beam to help you know when the survivor is running into the flight path it can be difficult to recognize that when your looping and not looking straight at the bird from the back.
All just accessibilty options.
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Absolutely not.
It's annoying and it makes the Nurse easier to use.
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Artist does not have a perk like that, the flannel would not be overpowered either way. The twins idea would not be bad and the aim one is good, but the artist one is a sarcastic stretch to invalidate my point.
It is not annoying if the player can turn on or off, also does not make nurse easier to play, on lerys against a good survivor there will be a hard time, flannel never helped me to really get a 4k because of it. Not overpowered either, no need to do a upset remark. Invalid.
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No its not its an accessibilty option i want because she is hard to play for people who have bad spacial awareness skills
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i mean they can make it that you can turn it off by pressing control or whatever secondary power button is for controller & xbox. i think large reason why nurse has low kill-rate is because its hard for new players to understand how her blink ability works and this add-on helps newer players figure how her ability operates.
for veteran players, you just memorize nurse's blinks but for new players, i think her blinks are not intuitive. pinhead has this add-on in his base-kit for opening gateway... and yet he has highest kill-rate despite... having similar mechanic to nurse's blinks. I wonder if nurse's kill-rate would go up if the add-on was base-kit? would weaker killer players suddenly get more kills on nurse? pinhead definitely makes you question nurse's performance.
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Upset? No.
Part of the charm of the Nurse is that blink muscle memory. Flannel already exists (and is way too common in the web, it should be way more rare : maybe 10 per 50 levels) to help beginners to understand how she works. If they can't, there are easier killers to use. It's not about being OP (although it would utterly destroy beginning survivors).
Challenges are important in a game. Giving training wheels forever would just make the challenge pointless and remove a good chunk of the fun.
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Just to clarify: what you call "accessibility" is akin to give an auto-aim in a shooting game. (And here I'm pretty sure you will misunderstand but we'll see)
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Thinking about it, would not be that bad actually, because you still cant see the aura of the survivor unless you use a perk to see it obviously. Would not be a big deal tbh.
What you said is truth. The flannel would be good as a feature like that and, increasing the kill rates or not, would be worth it for it to be a feature, would really make the gameplay more welcoming, i agree.
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Accessibility features, for example flannel being a option of accessibility would not be OP at all. If you dislike it, dont use it, play her without the feature and enjoy the charm of muscle memory; flannel is not needed to be a addon, no need for it to be even rarer since, again, is not OP and no need to be upset about it; flannel would not make anyone "stomp" anyone, nurse is still hard even with flannel and the flannel can sometimes not help, this is why it could be a feature that you can turn on and off. Very simple.
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I feel like you're trolling.
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The idea of the flannel as a option to turn on and off is absurd to you? To you, seems like the flannel is OP, except it is NOT.
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She's not that hard to learn.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure but replies seem to emphatically ignore arguments. I'm out of here. It will never happen anyway.
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Yes she is, the post is about accessible features, focus on it and concentrate on the post.
You seem upset. I responded to your arguments that are already weak by themselves and not really well related to accessibility. If you want extra attention, go to off-topic and rant, focus.
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"would just be more welcoming to new nurse players" . "The new player should be able to play nurse satisfaying enough just like the veteran does"
Nurse is already welcoming for the ones that want to get good at her, they just have to put effort at learning because as you said, NEW PLAYERS.
You're out of your mind if you think new players should play roughly the same as Veterans do.
New players need to climb the skill ladder just like everyone else did. If they face a Veteran, then i expect the Veteran to absolutely demolish new players.
Accessibility features
Accessibility features are the likes of colorblind mode, FOV slider and such that help players that suffer from certain conditions, and not a third wheel that affect learning curve.
Flanned is not OP
Imo it is more of a distraction that hinder you than help you. BUT, removing her from being an Addon and make it basekit will create a problem.
You see, at low level plays you might not think too much about having a free addon slot and still have Flannel to guide you, since if it were OP you would just use the Slot for Flannel anyway. BUT the problem start to kick in when you climb to the sweat level.
Top level you will need to squeeze everything to your advantage. Making Flannel a basekit will in turn give a free addon slot that can be used for better addons and still have flannel to assist you.
But Veterans have muscle memory for blinks, they don't need Flannel you might say.
Visual Knowledge of Blink landing zone will not just decrease learning curve of blink landing locations, but also the learning of map structures since Nurse players are required to have more understanding of the map to avoid blink deadzones as much as possible.
So what will the sweats do ? Turn On the Flannel indicator and use two range addons and will have 100% accuracy without the downside of blink deadzones due to the Indicator allow them to spot blink deadzones and avoid them.
Keeping the Flannel as an Addon is a good thing to avoid it from being abused by sweat lords.
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The flannel would be turned on and off, veterans that alteady play nurse will not turn it on, if you are upset that accessible features would be more welcoming to people, this is distasteful and also a elitist mindset, focus on what matters and dont dictate how others should play.
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You're arguing that something needs to be base kit because it may help some players. I disagree with your assessment. This isn't a case of helping offset a handicap like being color blind. It's adding training wheels to a killer that isn't actually that hard to learn.
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It is a accessibility feature that helps those who feel the need of using it, plus a welcoming tone to new players to enjoy dead by daylight's killer, nurse. A option to turn on and off, a bit different from pinhead because would be a option altough his model is perfect. Focus on what matters, focus on adding a welcoming vibe to those who feel comfortable with inclusive features.
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Examples of accessibility issues:
-Flashlight blindness effects and Doctor's shock giving people seizures.
-Clown's bottles and Dredge's Nightfall giving people migraines.
-The game not implementing features to aid the hearing impaired. This is kind of egregious considering how the mobile game has had features for a while now.
Example of what isn't an accessibility issue:
-"I don't feel like learning Nurse. Do it for me."
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Yeah, I’d like it to be base kit personally but I agree that the indicator should be made less conspicuous, it’s way too big and bright in some situations. But if they made it less obtrusive it would be a nice base kit touch for new players.
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And again, I disagree.
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Only in DbD are crosshairs and aiming reticles considered “training wheels”. I can’t think of any other first person shooters where you don’t have something showing where you are aiming.
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Also yeah
Again no reason it shouldn't be a toggle option
People use crosshairs anyway so why not just add it, I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard
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I’m ok with it being a toggle, but if for some reason toggle isn’t a possibility I’d rather have it in the game than not.
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Nurse is already an extremely strong killer without using any addons, so if you want Plaid Flannel you should have to fill an addon slot with it.
If you want to go double range addons you don't get to use Plaid Flannel. It's a trade off, as it should be.
Most Nurse games are already survivors DCing and suiciding on hook as fast as they can because they don't want to be in a Nurse match. A substantial buff like this would only exacerbate the problem.
It already is an accessibility feature you can turn on and off by equipping the addon or not using it.
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No it shoouldn't. Once you managed to have enought muscle memory it is a distraction.
It is a good addons for beginners even thou i would prefer a complete rework for nurses addons.
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Would be a feature, dont use if u dont want.
No need to be a addon, flannel is not even significant and can be detrimental. No need to be mad about it, focus on accessibility.
Yes, like on pinhead, good idea.
You need to find a relax tool if you would dc facing a nursr with flannel on. Focus on personal mental health issues related to game stress, be less upset about it, focus on what matters. Accessibility is inclusion, no need to hate it.
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Moreover nurse should be hard to master considering how powerful she is.
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I don't hate the idea, but the flannel is distracting so it would have to be able to toggle on and off
it would make learning the killer easier but still distracting
so mabye it would appear ur first idk how many times playing nurse but would go away after many games
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Again, your point is not valid. Accessibility is necessary, nurse will still be very jard to master with flannel, flannel is not even benefitial to really learn nurse. Focus on what matters.
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What are you talking about? I said none of that.
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