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Can we stop with the "Nurse has the lowest kill rate" posts now?
No one except BHVR knows for sure. I hope they give us more data soon, but I am used to having BHVR shatter my hopes.
The last time that I can find where the devs released comprehensive data used data from December 16, 2021 to January 16, 2022. That data did show the Nurse to have the lowest kill rate.
Patch 5.5.0 dropped on January 25, 2022 and brought many changes to Nurse, listed here:
- Fixed a global issue that caused The Nurse not being able to blink past multiple locations.
- Fixed an issue that rarely caused the Nurse not to be able to trigger a blink.
- Fixed an issue that may cause a blink started right when the charge is ready or when fatigue starts to be cancelled.
- Fixed an issue that caused the Nurse's vault to be slower than intended.
- Fixed an issue that caused the Nurse to go into fatigue after the stun when stunned during a chain blink. Now she will only go through the stun.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse to get stuck when blinking into a pallet dropped during the blink.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse's animations to briefly be static after interrupting a Survivor.
- Fixed an issue that caused the Nurse to be unable to blink through some hills.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse to sometimes fall out of world after blinking.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse to become stuck when a Survivor disconnects while being interrupted.
- Fixed an issue that made it possible for the Nurse to use the Return Blink ability during fatigue when equipped with the Jenner's Last Breath add-on.
- Fixed an issue that caused the blink charge sound to be heard even if no charge is added after hitting a Survivor after a blink when using the Spasmodic Breath add-on.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse to be able to do a slash attack while charging a chain blink.
- Fixed an issue that caused the Nurse to be able to climb on chests and small assets after blinking.
- Fixed an issue that caused an overlapping between the winding SFX and the Fatigue State SFX when the Nurse is Stunned by a Pallet after a Blink.
- Fixed an issue that may cause the Nurse's hand not to appear for spectators cycling through spectated players during a blink.
- Fixed an issue that caused a stutter during the Nurse's post blink animation when turning the camera.
Those changes coupled with the 6.1.0 changes mean we have a different Nurse playing in a different game. Those stats are completely irrelevant as of now. It's possible she does still have to lowest kill rate but no one knows for sure.
I'm sorry for posting another stupid Nurse thread in here but I want to firmly debunk this myth. I am just tired of people on this forum stating "Nurse has the lowest kill rate" as if it were fact. Especially from one person in particular.
Nurse is easier now more than she ever has been to pick up and crush with.
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the forums is the funniest website ever
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I just watched you demonstrate in another thread that you don't know how to use the search function.
These thread spams don't resonate with the community the way you think they do.
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Kill rates are a dumb statistic. According to these people, pig must be S tier ... Right?
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She does have the lowest kill rate because people tend to lose a lot of matches before getting good with her. She is the most difficult killer to learn. And a lot of people give up in the process. That's why her kill rates are lowest.
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I know I'm part of the problem, but I'm a little burnt out on talking about Nurse.
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To be fair, every post about Nurse kill rates or power level is pure conjecture because BHVR fears nothing more than transparency when it comes to kill rates/pick rates relative to MMR.
It's really not a community problem though. These threads have been going on repeatedly for a long time and there has been radio silence from the developers. Leads me to believe there's disagreement internally about Nurse, or they're going to do what they usually do with killers (gut her, lower the skill cap to play against her).
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Maybe after 27 more people will finally understand how a character, weapon, class or whatever else in a game specifically designed with a high skill floor + high skill ceiling as the goal is like though.
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I gotta disagree with this. You can inject the killrate based on an arbitrary # of games (10s, hundreds, thousands, it doesn't really matter) into hypothetical templates of standard outputs (Bell Curves, Diminishing Return Graphs, etc) and quite quickly draw, at least, some conclusions. For example: A whole lot of Nurses are either 2k'ing or straight up losing. A WHOLE lot.
Edit: But yes. BHVR is absolutely ridiculous with how they withhold information and the fact that their game doesn't support API calls so we can source information and come to more meaningful conclusions in 2022 is absolutely absurd.
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The only reason I hesitate to do that with my own gameplay is because I don't know the MMR of the survivors I face. I could be tracking kill rates from garbage matches. The thing I always go back to is my comp scrim vs public match win rates: my comp win rates were higher on Plague by a huge margin, whereas my Nurse win rates in pubs exceed 90%, far above my pub Plague win rate. They're completely flipped. Things get really weird when you get into very high level play.
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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said here as a standalone idea, I regularly discount my own games because of potatoes - but I still want the functionality, I still want the data.
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I doubt it would piss off the entire killer community, just the Nurse mains. Nobody cares when they nerf low tiers like Pig or mid tiers like Slinger. Sure, I would be disturbed by their choice, as usual. But anger? Eh. I expect Sadako nerfs, man. As if they could piss me off at this point.
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I don't see how that is different than what we have now. There are probably 5 Nurse threads every day with a ton of mud slinging. Radio silence for a year on a contentious issue isn't the answer in my opinion.
If her kill rates aren't out of line, then why do players feel that way? Is it matchmaking or what? If her kill rates are indeed high, then why is that? Is it high when we sort for specific perks/add ons? How is her base kit performing? All of those are wildly more constructive discussions than what we see every day, and we can't have those without evidence.
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I think such a scenario would not only affect nurse mains. Depending on how much she'd get nerfed, it might rub all killers wrong, or atleast the "killa mains" ."Why arent we allowed to have good killers?" - I might remember wrong, but that sentiment was there already when billy, spirit and nurse were changed.
I for one am seeing a lot of people wanting to buff solo to swf ( solo to solo+comms+cameradery) while trimming the killer top.
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Formulating the name of the thread to be antagonizing, I guess. The lower one is older.
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Exactly. You're the perfect example of this. You disregard all evidence contrary to what you believe while providing none of your own.
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I'm just going to say. I'm playing a meme nurse with 1 blink, base 4.2 speed and 4.6 on blink hit. My perks right now are trail of torment, bamboozle, mad grit, and sloppy butcher.
I am regularly getting 1-2 DC's and on top of that I'm getting a ton of suicides on first hook.
Nurse is only easy because just like my Pyramid posting, people take one look and want to kill themselves.
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