SWF shouldnt and never should be nerfed

I think people should be encouraged to play with friends to be honest. A lot of the games I play have benefits for playing with others, like bonus XP and stuff. I feel like DbD should boost the BP gains of survivors for playing with friends (and boost the BP gains of the killer for facing a SWF).

I mean it's kind of frustrating as well, since it will help reduce the grind even more AND it encourages more people to get their friends to play (boosting the player count and potential profits). I feel like it would make the game healthier (suggesting that SWF and SoloQ are on the same level of course), maybe even make the community a bit better since people who play alone might even be encouraged to go and meet people to play with.

As long as there is an S tier killer on the same power level than swf is fine. If there is simply nothing that can contest them then they gotta get nerfed.

I still think there should be survivor action icons, and all 5 players should get access to them. The only fair way to compensate the killer for the extra advantages survivors get when they use voice communication, is for the killer to also get extra game information.

At this point the game isn’t what it was once, so for me it has been made more balanced around SWF, considering how many slow down and aura perks there are. The game is no longer about immersion as much as it was. More than 50% of the time the killer knows where you are.

They say before they think. Like when they say, "It's JUST 5 seconds of base BT that the killer has to wait out." That is a monumental survivor buff, but it got swept under the rug "because tunneling still exists." 🤷

Why can't you nerf SWF without nerfing solos? Imagine there was debuff SWF got that didn't affect solos, and that's just off the top of my head.

It is the same argument as why SoloQ players or casuals deserved to be destroyed by killers overbuffed to face swat SWF at the other end of MMR?

If you play with friends that are relatively new to dbd they also dont deserve to be hardtunneled by most killer they go against

First of all, matchmaking truly does not work well, at least not in my region. I am not in a high MMR as i dont escape very often(700h i have), but still i (very) frecuently play against +3000h nurses or blights that are clearly good players.

Second, when i mention about tunneling is because i assume you understand that the basekit killer buffs are increasing the amount of games the killers tunnels, as they have more time and surv have shorter chases.

Said that, it is not that i KNOW that my friends will be tunneled in a way of me assuming the outcome of the game before playing, it is what has been happening to my friends in most games. I dont know if killer read the steam profile of players, or see if they have classic outfit or sth like that but most games the killer runs straight to my 50h-100h friend to tunnel him out of the game as quickly as possible.

It is a sad state for casual players

I always, always said for years that SWF is too strong because of the comms, this simple fact is absolutely disgusting and game breaking, i always pleaded for a killer buff whan he is vs a 3 and 4 survs teams, not to be smoked, but only to be more balanced, you can't fairly compete vs SWF, it's obvious !

Swf communicates, so they always knows where you are and what you do, this is absolutely game breaking, especially for stealth killers, and you got bullied because they synchronise themselves. It kill the immersion for you, and they don't fear you.

Give one more perk to killers when he deal with a 3/4 SWF.

It will not compensate the comms, but it will help being a little less destroyed/bullied.

No we arent gonna nerf swf we will nerf surv

So good swfs are allowed to be as good as they are but there can't be killers to match them. I agree nurse needs some changes, but if blight and nurse receive changes there is nothing left to contest them. Just as good swfs stomp most killers the same can be said for nurse. Either they both get adjusted or they have to stay the same

Just buff Non SWF, what the problem with adding "predefined radio messages" that survivros could speak to each other on small distance.

Heal, Help, repair or run :P

I repair. You heal :D

MMR merely attempts to find you a balanced match. If it can't, you get whatever because we can't have long queue times.

This is blatantly false, as confirmed by MandyTalk in a previous thread. The game was always intended to have swf, and it is intended for them to be communicating. The feature simply wasn't ready at launch.

Absolutely not. As I said above, swf is an intended feature. It is also intended for them to be communicating. All this would accomplish is making swf players quit or lobby dodge until they got each other. Both of these would skyrocket queue times and do absolutely nothing to help solo queue.

Tournament players represent less than 1% of the player base. They have their own rules because of their skill level. Making swf play by a ruleset that only applies to swf is punishing them for playing with their friends.

Out of all swfs, bully squads represent less than 1% and are few and far between.

Nurse needs to be reworked from the ground up. Nurse is an outdated killer that can never truly be considered balanced without absolutely gutting her.

Instead, maps should be reduced in size, solo's buffed to close the gap between swf, the survivor role then nerfed as a whole and killers buffed accordingly based on those changes.

If killers can get downs at a consistent pace, then all that communication you're all so worried about isn't going to matter. I don't recall who said this, but it's a statement that definitely rings true.

Gutting her like the whining children want wouldn't balance the game, so we're in agreeance.

I do not think swf should be nerfed yet. The priority should be a solo Q fix and then I would address this. Now SWF has some things that may make a game pretty unbalanced, like the fact that everyone can know where is the killer when someone is being chased, there is an Object of Obsession or when someone sees him from afar. Making pressure against a SWF is very difficult sometimes, as they often repair strategically to make things difficult for the killer. Yes, you can sometimes outplay them, but you'll often need a miracle. Due to this, sometimes you will not rank up as you should (before the rank update I could not get to purple ranks because of the SWF groups and now I have awful times with them that lower my MMR for sure). The ideal solution would be the famous competitive mode, a gamemode that could only be played solo and that would affect the ranks and the MMR, alongside the casual mode, that could be played with friends, would not take in count or afect the ranks and MMR and I think that DCing penalties should not be applied to it.

But how does the killer, who has as little experience as the survivor they're facing (if matchmaking is working right), know to tunnel the weak link? The survivors at this level aren't bothering to search up "how to counter tunneling" so the killers wouldn't be searching up "how to kill efficiently" either. Everyone at this level is going in trying to figure out for themselves how to win, and probably haven't even asked the community about anything because they don't even know yet that this community exists. Y'all are just assuming that it's only ever going to be an experienced killer against inexperienced survivors, and that's really where we've gone wrong with survivor-sided balancing.

You can't claim it's a lie if you have no evidence to support your claim.

As we are not privy to their development process, we can only take what they say at face-value.