Why is tunneling considered bad form?

Yes, survivors will get back on gens. But you have wasted their time. By chasing them you may force a hit and make them heal or do something else stupid. That's how you snowball without camping or tunnelling.

I don't really understand this. A killer chases a survivor off a gen, and survivors move to other gens. They don't go back to the same gen - at least not immediately anyway. This is why the game gets more difficult when there are fewer gens.

I don't really understand how people can both think and post this illogical stuff. "Rushing" generators and tunnelling are not the same. Generators and Hooking are closer to being like for like.

Tunnelling is unsportsmanlike. Everybody knows it is. It's cheap, it's simple, and unless the survivors are organised and coordinate well, it's very effective. Again, the evidence in this is how killers will do it when they want to punish a survivor - understandably for things like t-bagging or baiting the killer. It's the most effective way of taking away someone's enjoyment.

There are actually a bunch of ways to mitigate tunnelling though. Some, like Pyramid Head's Cage already exist in the game. Sure, there's no hook interplay there, but it is rather effective at reducing a tunnel.

Others could be wildly different. Like if we suppose we wanted to say tunnelling survivors and gens was the same, we could simply have a hook counter of 12, where any combination of persons can be hooked up to 12 times, but on that twelfth hook, game over.

Or, another route is when one player dies, the game ends. That would be another "actual" like for like with doing generators and tunnelling.

Because, for some reason, some killers don't really seem to get that killers don't get killed in the game. It's wild but true. When a survivor dies, the game actually ends for them. They don't ghostly do all the extra tasks on the ship to catch the murderer and watch things play out, they're done interacting. It's over. End of the game.

I'm not sure why I have to say that, but some people still don't really get it. The survivor finishes playing the game when they're out. The killer does not. This is why tunnelling (and camping) is an issue.

"The killer's goal is to eliminate survivors."

I agree. Though I don't understand why that makes tunnelling the most effective use of their time. In fact it's actually not against highly skilled teams, because those teams will do gens.

That's why I say it's unsportsmanlike. It's disingenuous to complain about coordinated survivors being powerful while using a strategy that relies upon the survivors being uncoordinated.

Of course, if each hook state took 90s or longer, camping and tunnelling would immediately cease to be effective in all forms, and since no one complains about hook state times being too long (yet, anyway, jury's out on reassurance), I doubt anyone should complain at this simple form of balancing.

How is it too easy for killers to tunnel? I mean besides Nurse and Blight.

He can't instadown you like that anymore, because you get 5 seconds of BT AND Haste for free. And I've still yet to see a reason why killers can't tunnel at 5 gens. Like it's only okay for them to tunnel once they're already in a losing game, is what y'all are saying. They can't just do it for advantage, like survivors do when they all split up on gens at the beginning?

Survivors always had the means toearn paoints until they are removed from the game. The risk of elimination is part of the design. Dbd isnt a team deazthmatch with respawn, its an roundbased objective driven game like CS or R6:S. Survivors can get eliminated, killers have a time limit in the form of the time it takes for survivors to cpomplete the gens. The quicker you do gens, the less time killers have to do their objective, remove survivors from the game.

Your last paragraph also only rings true if the devs decisded to randomly mix up the game without the intention to chamnge the balance. But they explicitekly designed this patch tonerf survivors because "killrates are less than they want them to be"

I think that kind of tunneling where the killer sniffs the survivor waiting for BT and then proceeds to rehook them is unhealthy for the game. It's not fun to do it as killer and it sure as hell isn't fun for the survivor. However, I don't blame players that do it and I don't cry when it happens to me. It's BHVR's job to fix this, not the player's.

My understanding is this:

"Tunneling" is derived from "tunnel vision," which refers to a loss of peripheral vision. When one is described as having a "tunnel vision mentality," it means they are focused entirely on a singular goal without any consideration of outside circumstances surrounding you.

If you as a Killer are dead-set on knocking one person out of the game as soon as possible while generally ignoring everything and everyone else, you are in a tunnel vision menality and are thus tunneling. If the Killer is keeping gen pressure going, keeping Survivors off gens and also making sure that they secure a kill as quickly as possible to screw up Survivor momentum, that's not tunneling so much as playing efficiently.

A Survivor would be said to be in a tunnel vision mentality if and specifically if they are hammering out gens without any consideration for who is on a hook, who is in danger of dying, where the Killer is (unless they are directly on top of that Survivor), etc. If they are hammering out gens but still keeping the Killer busy when needed or still unhooking when the opportunity arises or still knocking out Hexes as seen/needed, that's also not tunneling so much as just playing efficiently.

I mean, that's my point? That killers asserting that doing a generator and tunnelling a survivor, are the same thing.

I'm pointing out the logical inconsistency to compare the two like for like. It's bizarre to say that.

It's even more bizarre that killers act really put upon and aggrieved when survivors escape or do more generators, since their gameplay doesn't end. Instead of each hook or kill being a victory it's a culture of anything less than four kills is a loss (for a lot of people on these forums, not in the game generally, I think).

I dunno, maybe the game's just built in a way to promote that mindset, since it's the horror genre.

The moment survivors start playing how killers want, then killers will do whatever they want without care.

Not being mean here. Just saying that not every game has that type of killer. So when you encounter it, that's it. Move on. The world isn't perfect so why should a video game be?

It is poor sportsmanship to camp and tunnel very early in the game.

And, before you or anyone else suggest I'm one-sided in my opinions about this game...

It is poor sportsmanship to continue cranking gens when the killer has zero downs with 2 gens left.

In either case, I stand on the side of "recognize when you've establish adequate pressure, and take your foot off the pedal so everyone can play the game."

Tell me you've never played a sport IRL without telling me you've never played a sport IRL

In recreational sports, when a team has established a significant lead over their opponent, they will substitute their top players for their benchwarmers.

In competitive sports, a mercy rule is instituted for similar situations, so as not to humiliate the opponent.

In both scenarios, the practice is considered a show of good sportsmanship.

Whether it is to be considered poor sportsmanship to continue beating your opponent is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that showing mercy, and allowing inexperienced players an opportunity for growth and development, are behaviors of a good sport.

The gaming community as a whole (not just in DBD) should be pushing to practice better sportsmanship.

The lack of accountability in our anonymous online environments, paired with the attention-seeking attitude of the younger generation has facilitated too much toxicity for far too long. If we are going to continue coexisting in this virtual environment, we should be asking more of our peers, and hold eachother to higher standards.

It is not virtue signaling to want to live in a better world.

What you're talking about isn't done solely to give the other team mercy. It's to give the 'weaker' players some experience, so as to not pay them to do nothing, and to build them up for when one of the good players gets injured or something and they need to sub out. In a way, it's almost anti-sportsmanlike, because you're basically saying, "We could easily beat you as is, but because we're in such a lead, we're gonna let our benchwarmers loose and see if they can't hand you a point or 2." That's what you see in FIFA online when the opponent puts their goalie upfront, basically showboating.

You're allowing the other team to play still, but you're giving them false hope as well. They probably see that you're letting up and may have a shot at making a comeback, but even if that did happen, it would be because you screwed up by throwing away your advantage, not because they just played that well. You see this in DBD when survivors have a huge gen lead and use it to waste time body blocking and spamming second chance perks for style. It's not to let the other team win as much as it is to showboat and then escape back to guaranteed victory.

The comparison you're making just isn't there. What smart survivor team just stops doing gens to give the killer a chance? No, they do it to be altruistic and show off because they've basically already won and they know it. You see killer do it so little because they almost never have that kind of advantage outside of playing a top 2 killer. It's not because they're bad sports; they want to win and win decisively after losing so many times to factors that are outside their control. Notice that teams who lost in real sports year after year usually want to keep their top spot instead of returning to being losers.

Your suggestion is so idealistic, as opposed to practical, that it could only ever exist in casual play, which is the part of a game's playerbase that needs to show sportsmanship the least. When you lose in this game you lose hard and repeatedly, and that's not fun, so why would I waste my time being what you would call sportsmanlike when I have nowhere near the advantage to do so? Even if I did have that advantage, survivor has so much comeback potential that letting up for even a second could cement a loss for me, which I don't feel like experiencing for no good reason. That's reality.

Here is a candle for your optimism—may it forever rest in peace.

I don’t know any other way to say this but uhhh… no. You’re wrong.

Somebody saw you were thirsty and handed you a glass half full of water.

The fact that you look a gift horse in the mouth and say, “I don’t want that, it’s half empty,” is your problem.

The person who handed that glass to you has made a kind gesture, regardless of whether you choose to see that or not.

Maybe nothing will please you. But kindness, compassion, and just generally treating other people like human beings… that sorta stuff will please most people. I don’t know how you could possibly argue that we don’t need more of that in our lives.

DBD is not a competitive game. People can and will play to win, but at the end of the day we’re all humans coming together to have a good time.

tunneling isn't real and is usually the survivors fault