BHVR, are you going to make an in-game solution for survivors holding the game hostage by hiding?

Why they do not set a time limit (lets say 30min) that then starts EGC I have no idea. I see no good reason why we do not have one at this point in time, and its a bit frustrating as it seems like such a simple feature to implement.

I agree that a perk shouldn't be used to fix a game defect, but Whispers is legit one of the most valuable killer perks in the game anyway. Might as well run it, and then this problem goes away for you.

What ever you people say to make this game better you know the other side is gonna try and troll with it. This issue is trying to stop survivors from ######### around but a change will cause killers to try something just to troll. Both sides are just as guilty which makes this game a cesspool of bad balancing because both sides can be ######### for no reason with what they are given

I would say the only solution is to just DC. But they threatened to ban me if I encouraged it. So I need to be clear and tell you NOT to DC. Do not, it is against the rules. Holding the game hostage is not, I guess? I do not know, they will not add a forfeit option to save people from being held hostage because it is intended, clearly. So, again, do not disconnect. That is against the rules. Just take your loss even if it takes up to 2 hours.

As someone who's been on three ends of this:

1) Killer searching for last two sneakies - Iron Maiden shuts this down quickly, there hasn't been a single time this has happened while playing Trickster or Huntress that didn't resolve itself immediately by perk or idle crow

2) One person is still playing, but the second is hiding - Killer has searched hi and low, and not even aura reading perks aren't helping. Try to recruit the other survivor, chances are they have seen them while downed. Pick them up and let them escape, give them a nod, hit the gen or hook and shake no. Chances are if you pantomime enough, they will eventually understand the other teammate is actively betting on them getting killed so they can try for hatch and lead you to the hiding person. Rewarding helpful player with hatch should be customary. I've been on both sides of this one. It's almost ALWAYS worth an investigation when the killer isn't robotically seeking to hook everything in sight, though it can be hard to portray that info to the survivor at times through the limited gestures one can do as killer

3) You're both on death hook, and the killer prioritizes a 3 gen all within visual range from the start leaving you with the options to wait for the killer to actively search other places so you can try to double team the gen, get halfway done before having to hop off and hide again, and watch as they camp the gen while Call of Brine + Overcharge undoes all your progress and guarantees the killer sits there for another 10 minutes. Or just throwing the match.

"But this is taking match hostage!" No, in this instance it's the KILLER forcing a stalemate. Sure, the Survivors can't progress while Killer camps gens, but if the Killer doesn't have the skills to find the hiding Survivors and just camps gens nothings getting done. Unless you're expecting the Survivors to just throw themselves at your hook it's up to killer to search, A strategy I've used to end these stalemates is to let them get the final gen meanwhile finding a good place with line of sight on both the gates. Yes, it's gambling whether you're actually going to improve on the 2K you already have, but it's better than sitting around and complaining the survivors won't line up to be killed

Finally, as for the fourth situation: Full team members remaining, and all are full Bush Wookie mode, this is just trolling, and just like the eternal stun bully squads, the strategy falls apart if you just leave the area, not engaging, not walking into the trap, and breaking their formation. It kills the strategy. A fun way to do this is to turn the tables yourself, going pseudo-AFK in a killer shack can get them to come down with a deadly case of curiosity. Next level fun when using Infinite Tombstone Myers and replicating the AFK macro of swinging every few seconds while slowly amassing stalk. They will panic once you hit tier 2, but if you don't move and just continue swinging, they WILL come back to continue grinding heals, blinds, and time spent nearby allowing you to hit Tier 3 and pretty much guaranteeing 1-2 instant Moris

Now as for the people asking for changes to gameplay specifically to counter this, I'll offer you the same "It's a valid strategy!" as so many are willing to spout in defense for slugging, camping, and tunneling. BOTH "strategies" have perk reliant counters already present in game, BOTH offer a great disservice to the receiving party, and BOTH shouldn't be penalized without properly addressing the other. And defending one while damning the other is nothing but hypocrisy.

The thinks is, as someone usually doing gens in a 2v1 scenario, the one hidding is actually playing for the win, because the killer usually finds the one at the gens, not the other ones. And as much as killer claim they would go for the one hidding instead of the one doing gens, i never experienced that. Usually, the killer kills me because he doesnt want to search the last guy anymore, so the one hidding is going free.

So yes, he actually played for the win.

I hope you are as condescending in "slugging for the 4k" threads and suggest "use a self pickup perk, duh".

Probably a controversial opinion here but I'm going to assume that there's only 2 survivors left when the hide and seek began because hide and seek with 3 or 4 survivors left would be silly (but not impossible) .

Going under that assumption, there's 2 possibilities for why the hide and seek game started.

1. The survivors are just scared babies and they know there's no possibility gens will get done so they'd rather hide. Solution: you'll find them eventually, just keep searching (I DO happen to run whispers every game but even if you don't there's only so many places to hide and half the killer roster has teleportation or fast moving abilities to get around the map at this point)
2. The killer wanted to slug for a 4k and waste everyone's time instead of just hooking the 3rd person, the survivors were able to pick up and heal that person somehow, and then they started the hide and seek game just to be petty and deny the killer a 4k, matching the killer's petty energy. Solution: Don't slug for a 4k and stop wasting people's time and just hook the person you downed UNLESS you have immediate knowledge of exactly where the last person is already.

So with that said, no new solution is required.

i was gonna agree with you but then you used a clown emoji. like really man?

Playing for hatch in a 2v1 is a legitimate strategy. There are even challenges that require playing for hatch. The scenario of holding the game hostage you are referring to is a coordinated effort by the two survivors to not progress the game. If that's the case then film then report them and use the recording to back up your claim.

However, what is likely happening is two survivors chased off a gen initially, becoming more cautious approaching the gen and leaving as soon as the TR sounds; never actually making it to the gen to make progress. If you're filming, this would be easy to prove. Stay away from the gens and see if they get completed (or not). If they don't then you have a recording showing no effort from a survivor to progress the game and can report them.

But I would wager that the gens would get repaired in most cases.

Since we don't have an actual video, every single discussion in this thread is entirely hypothetical and based on subjective experiences in game. It could be anything from "killer diligently searches the entire map constantly for 90 minutes" (which some people here assume), or "killer checked the four remaining gens once and didn't see any survivors, so I'm going to tab out to post about a hostage situation", or anything in between. Arguably, the first extreme is against the rules and the second is a killer being lazy and entitled. The reality is somewhere in between and depends entirely on the situation.

Personally, I've never had "extreme hiding" from any survivors in any of my games. When I do get into a situation where they are playing more defensively I have always been able to draw them out or mind game a bit to catch them out. I also run one or more information perks normally, so I can find survivors easier/faster. So, from my perspective, this issue is at minimum exaggerated, or possibly an issue with the killer not bringing the right tools.

It's the killer's job to locate, chase down, and kill survivors. It's not up to the survivors to present themselves for death when the killer decides the game should be over. If the killer is failing to "find" survivors, they objectively are doing a bad job at their primary role. That's why there are perks, killer powers and addons, and base game mechanics that make it possible to find survivors.

If this stalemate scenario happens once, then sure, some players are #########, just go next. But people here seem to talk about it as though this is happening every other game. If this is actually happening often, that is certainly not a common scenario for everyone, and that killer should consider ways to make it easier for them to find survivors. There are many of them in the game. Also, if you have enough pressure on a regular basis to encourage many survivors to go into extreme hiding, you certainly have perk slots you can swap out. You don't always need 4 slowdowns.