What if..
Okay, so me and the other two teammates did end the game in this scenario by leaving because, so I want to clarify that before going into the post, but genuine question here.
So Wraith was bodyblocking Feng Min in one of those little cubbies that a generator would sit in and Feng was working on the side closest to the wall and she was bodyblocked in between. She was bodyblocked the whole game while me and my teammates finished the last remaining generators before finding her bodyblocked.
If neither side decided to open the exit gate (because both sides can) who would be holding the game hostage in that scenario?
Again, the other two and I did leave, but I was curious who would be to blame for that situation.
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I think the devs don't consider it hostage taking if the game can end, so if survivors are the ones not opening the gates to make the game end - they might be at fault
However if you bodyblock the last survivor in a corner like this, then it's on the Killer.
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I'm pretty sure this is considered hostage taking on the killer's part, regardless of if the other survivors (you) were alive and did gens. This Feng was still prevented from engaging in the game, so the blame would still be on the killer for all of the time she was kept bodyblocked.
"It's immaterial that there are other survivors alive in the game, the killer is preventing [this survivor] from taking part in the game in anyway and they can do nothing about those circumstances."
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If you have video the killer can be reported for griefing the Feng because they held the game hostage for that player - doesn't matter that you finished gens/opened gate to start EGC, if they were blocking the Feng for some time before you finished gens then they were preventing the Feng from being able to play.
Once gens are finished if you're not opening gates while someone is body blocked that would be something Mandy would have to answer.
To me while you aren't forcing the game to end the killer has put you in a spot where you're at a stalemate because you want to help your teammate escape and they want to force a kill via EGC or just make the survivor DC. At most both would be at fault but I'd say killer more so because you still have an objective - save your teammate - and they are refusing to play, they have just stayed blocking the survivor refusing to down them.
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Okay, thanks ^^ because we were trying to get the killer away from her by me forcing him to down me and trying to glitch the Feng Min into the Wraith, by him faking a hit on me and trying to force him to hit Feng Min
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Huh I had no idea this was their stance, I've always been under the impression that the devs never considered a match being held hostage if it can end but I guess that's no longer the case. Good to see tbh, glad to be wrong
Well, if Survivors/Killers do this report them with proof, they'll probably get a day ban or something
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I did file a report/ticket, but it made me wonder because technically either side could end the game, but the killer held one person hostage majority of the game, so the couldn't do anything at all
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You probably did the Feng a favour by leaving and starting EGC, must of sucked for them being held hostage all game. I guess they stuck it out so the rest of you could carry on with gens. Hope they managed to record some, or all, of it to report.
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The killer is 100% reportable simply because they started blocking Feng before EGC and was preventing Feng from playing the game (Mandy, Peanits, and multiple mods have confirmed this in different posts). I don't think the survivors would be since they have reason to not start EGC (objective to save teammate) but if they were reported it'd need to be done by the Feng who had to rely on everyone else for game to end. If killer tried it would be "survivors wouldn't open door to start EGC while I body blocked this healthy Feng in a corner" which I think would just be laughed at by the devs.
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By the logic of the mod post, camping is hostage taking. Hostage taking means that the game cannot end, so since the other survivors can do gens, open the gate thus starting the end game collapse which lasts 2-4 min, and force have the game end, it's not hostage taking. Then spawn camping and constantly killing/targeting the same person in a shooter is hostage taking too.
The other day I was against a nurse who slugged 3 of us (with 1 person dead) and made us bleed out for 3 minutes. Wouldn't that be hostage taking too?
I'm against people who do that, and think people who play like that need to be removed from the game, but objectively speaking the term "hostage taking" isn't correct here.
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Camping and slugging both not only have a set time limit but there are perks and ways to get out of those situations. Being blocked in a corner for the match there is no way to get out of that situation unless the killer moves or hits you which is why it's considered holding the game hostage for that survivor.
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Again back to the definition of hostage taking, meaning the game cannot end.
"Being blocked in a corner for the match there is no way to get out of that situation unless the killer moves or hits you which is why it's considered holding the game hostage for that survivor."
Survivors do gens, the game ends. The difference between a killer bodyblocking a survivor in a corner and a Bubba face camping you in basement is little for the experience of that 1 person. The only way that it turns into hostage taking is if the survivors don't do gens, in which case they're both participating in it. Worst case, 3 people on 3 gens is 90s, 3 on the last 2 gens an extra 90s + walking to the gens and opening the game is the timer of a bleedout from a slug. The only extra time wasted is the time of the EGC, and that's assuming not a single gen has been touched.
There are many issue with those screenshot posts.
1st pic: Indecisive rule. "It's not okay to do this at this point in the game, but 2 seconds later when another stage of the game starts it's okay to do it" (even thought not much has changed, now there is a timer, which would've started either way)
2nd pic: There is a way to leave, others progress the game. Also "the killer is breaking the rules. they are completely denying one playing from playing the game, even if it wasn't for 30 min like in this case" meaning face camping Bubbas are bannable.
3rd pic: "Body blocking is bannable if it's used to hold the game hostage or grief" Again, it's not holding the game hostage, it can progress. It is definitely griefing, but so is Bubba face camping.
4th pic: says holding the game hostage, but then says it's only that 1 survivor.
5h pic: same as previous ones.
I'm just saying call it what it is, griefing, and don't have such loose rules. :)
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