The build I use to win 50%+ of solo survivor games

I use only those perks when I do tomes which require escape but other than that I try team win and my teammates do gens but killer usually camps and tunnels and has 4 slow downs so we lose most of time anyway. Overcharge+call of brine is so powerful quarding last gen so it's hard to win.

Then let's ask OP to prove his claims and record his gameplay of him getting hatch 50% of the time with his build? I don't think he'll even be alive 50% of the time when hatch spawns.

Here's my gameplay a while back where I would get 36 win streak with only 4Ks, not a single hatch. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLFH12v08C1gOSC7yBa9AOw (toxic gameplay but that's not the point here - the point is, if the killer knows what they're doing, survivors will NEVER get hatch)

(Btw: I wrote a longer post but for some reason this forum keeps deleting my messages and making them appear randomly later.)

Might as well use Circle of Healing instead of selfcare? It's faster and it gives your teammates an extra perk too

BRUH SELF CARE?

IMO if that survivor can open the gates then they definitely won. Maybe not so much from a team aspect though.

The point is that if you let your teammates die then you're drastically reducing YOUR OWN chances of escaping as well. In fact against competent killer, you're making them exactly ZERO.

Yes once you open the door your MMR doesn't care if you cooperate anymore. But to open the door in the first place, you need to cooperate HEAVILY with your teammates. That includes getting hooked yourself, taking hits, things that OP explicitly tries to avoid. It does not improve his chances of escape at all. It only improves his chances of him being the last one alive, then dying.

It's like being in a sinking boat with three other people, and instead of cooperating with them to bail out the water, you let them drown, arguing that you only care about yourself not drowning. You might live a little longer than them but in the end the boat will just sink faster.

Best post in this thread by far! This is what im saying as well.

I have a survivor that runs Sole Survivor/Spine Chill/Wake Up/Lithe w a medkit and good add-ons. Its a versatile build and i unhook do gens etc but its also an assurance build so its good for most situations!

Person suicides on hook? Ok i have a stack of Sole Survivor

Teammates going down fast or playing bad when im not?

Easy i can rely at least on endgame to escape or my remaining teammates can pick up!

I run Left Behind sometimes because people are mostly bad at the game and im always expecting the worst but only with a pink or purple key because running this perk without it doesnt guaruntee the escape as opposed to having it.

Okay, I will still be using these builds

BT, WGLF, No One Left Behind, We will make it

or

WGLF, For The People, Empathy and Vigil

Distortion is pretty nice now - I make use of it, now that it can be recharged and rather easily. It's satisfying hearing that squelch noise at the start of the match when Lethal Pursuer fails on you.

Self Care - Can't use it anymore even with Botany. Way too slow nothing else gets done. Rather take Bond for the info and if I do need a heal pretty easy to find someone. I actually use Bond to avoid incoming chases and stay away from people doing gens while in a chase, so I don't get in the way.

Left Behind/Sole Survivor - Kind of useless taking two perks that only benefit from being the last survivor. With Self Care it sounds like you don't do anything to progress the game and just wait for the others to die. But I do like Sole Survivor the really fast exit open is nice when you do run into those situations.

Then you need something to help with the rampant tunneling/camping going on - OTR is my choice.

I used to care and for a good while i ran and rarely now run

Sabo/Breakout/DH, SC or Resilience/Empathy w Alex's Toolbox and the good add-ons.

Ok i save my teammates with Sabo but they do no gens and all is for naught...

I can exhaust all my resources saving people and still die bc the teams are overall bad so while i commend your level of altruism and camaraderie the truth is support builds only work half of the time.

The skill level of the killer, maps and skill level of teammmates still need to be factored in so these type of builds are still no better than so called selfish ones.

There is no official win condition other than "escaping" for survivors (although the updated official page does put more focus on the "team" aspect of it), so yes, you can play for your sole escape and consider it a win. The question only becomes why you would want to do that. In general, you can consider whatever a win you personally play for. You could personally be having the most rewarding time if you manage to find all 5 totems in game, like some easter egg hunt. If you feel like you've "won" if you did that and had fun, that's just as worthwhile (or worthless) as escaping and then considering yourself a "winner".

Escaping does not give you anything in and of itself, and even if you care about your invisible matchmaking rating (for which you have no real reason, as it does not give you anything either), you actually have to play for gate escapes to increase your MMR, which is something you will much more reliably achieve by choosing your loadout and playing in ways that actually aim to get all gens done, which includes pressuring objectives, rescuing teammates, taking risks, taking aggro/chases, teamplay in general. If it's about bloodpoints, there are more effective ways to maximize your average BP gain. Taking hits and going for unhooks and bold plays usually yields much more BP than hiding, playing passively and getting a hatch escape.

Personally I mostly care about chase interactions in the game, so as a survivor I would rather die having one last chase, than try and hide and avoid the killer in order to get a sneaky hatch escape. I get nothing from the latter, why would I go out of my way to actively avoid gameplay? Why am I playing this game at all, just for the artificial objective of an "escape" message on my post-game screen? I for one play it for the gameplay it provides, and I enjoy chase gameplay more than stealth gameplay. Doesn't mean I don't generally play to succeed, but to me only two or more survivors escaping is success. I don't generally play for hatch or otherwise cheesing out sole escapes, let alone adjust my build and playstyle to it beforehand, I go into survivor matches trying to play in ways that allow for all gens to be done and multiple players to escape through gates, and I consider it a success most of all if I help with that by leading lengthy chases.

That said, there are of course reasons why people would want to play for escapes more than anything else. Maybe they just find that the most fun, and whatever leads to their personal escape is worthwhile to them because they just find they feel the best about the game if they end up escaping. Or maybe they care about it more than anything else because they want the killer player to feel like they've "lost" against them. Or maybe they just enjoy the thrill of hiding and escaping against a killer looking to find and prevent them from doing so. Or maybe they enjoy thinking of the game as a survival horror where just like in real life they would want to avoid the killer at all costs. As I've said, any personal reason is valid, and nobody can prevent you from playing within the rules of the game to whatever end you personally deem worthwhile. Your fellow survivors will resent you for it, but if you yourself do not care about that or at least not as much as you care about your escape, so what, it's a game. And I will say that in solo matches, not seldomly it really is the case that try as you might, you just simply cannot carry your fellow survivors into having an actual shot at getting all gens done and escaping. So after having a lot of matches like that, it is understandable a player might simply want to escape more often, and prepare in advance for the likely case that the round will fall apart.

...So, here's a few tips for the sole survival playstyle.

Left Behind + a key is probably the most reliable way to get an escape that requires the least amount of investment, since you still have 3 perk slots that can support whatever playstyle, tactic and strategy you want, and the key can still have add-ons that do other things for you too.

If you are using Left Behind without a key, consider instead using Clairvoyance or a map - both perfectly able to help you find hatch as well (Clairvoyance even has double the range of Left Behind), and as opposed to Left Behind they actually have other uses too.

If you want gate escapes strictly, the combo is Wake Up!, Sole Survivor, Spine Chill and Adrenaline. Adrenaline is just here to make sure that if the killer closes the hatch, you either get to be healthy which makes hiding easier and can allow you to take a hit while opening the gate, or you get off the ground if you were slugged. Spine Chill helps you identify when the killer is at the gate you want to open, particularly against stealth killers of course, but even the visual indicator of the terror radius can really help you with understanding the killer's movements and whether they are actually moving to or away from your gate. And on top of that its 6% additional gate opening speed can come in clutch if the killer is coming at you. Wake Up! and Sole Survivor are obviously the actual gate opening speed perks here though - together, they combine for a 75% increase in your gate opening speed, cutting it down to 11.4 seconds.

An additional tip is that you can open the gate up to a progress of 25% before the first red light turns on, meaning you can put in some progress without the killer noticing, hide, and finish the rest when the killer leaves again. That will leave you with only having to spend 8.5 seconds on the rest. If your game is in English, you can use the following as visual guidance:

The first light will turn on roughly when the progress bar is in the middle of the letter "A", so in order to be safe, you want to stop when the progress bar is between "C" and "A".

Another tip: Spine Chill lights up at 36 meters. It takes a killer 7.8s to traverse those 36m at standard 4.6m/s movement speed. So if you can put in 3-4 seconds of gate progress before Spine Chill lights up (progress bar at about "E" or "S" of "ESCAPE"), you will be able to open the gate by just sticking to it, you won't have to risk hiding (especially if you can tank a hit too, and also considering that the killer is not usually able to travel in a perfectly straight line to your gate). Also depends on whether the killer has an ability that allows them to traverse the map more quickly though, of course.

first, comments on the perks:

first of, I dont think that you are the only person doing gens when you run selfcare. since the nerf this is the biggest time waster available. you say fixing gens is the most important thing and run this? inner healing is too situational? this sounds like you want to heal everytime you can, is that correct? or do you do gens injured? sounds a bit contradictory tbh. selfcare was always a perk that could be played badly by always healing, rather than offering the possibility to heal when you HAVE to which was the true strength of selfcare.

I would use clairvoyance over left behind because it has a bigger radius and has usage during the match as well. and since it requires a totem to activate, I would exchange selfcare with inner healing on top. normally 2 heals per match without a mate nearby is totally fine

second: to you and this thread

the way you argue vs other opinions make me think that it isnt even worse posting in here...

you insinuate over other people's playstyle and whatever, without even talking about what they said. just destructive wording etc

btw this is still your argumentation of winning, this is just an opinion. pips tell you that you can blackpip with an escape and +pip while dying. pips are the closest thing to a definition of winning that the game offers, everything else is subjective

and how do you regard CoH as time waster when running selfcare xD it is one perk that allows your whole team to reset, no grouping needed so the other survivors can fix gens. place it in a deadzone or where gens are already finished so the killer has no reason to go there. saves tons of time. and no decent survivor needs small game to find totems, you know the spawns and occassionally run past these, no need to waste time searching them, you place boons when you see a totem, thats it. and you cant add the placing + healing to count for a single heal. you need to calculate the average on how many healings have been done with that single boon placement. if you place it in the open or between a 3gen so the killer has no problems snuffing it all the time, then you played CoH as bad as selfcare when people die on hook while you heal

People really miscomprehend what kind of perks Sole Survivor or Left Behind are

It's a insurance perk, just like OTR btw

Saying sole survivor and left behind are useless cause they don't give vallue unless your team dies is the same as saying OTR is useless cause it doesn't give vallue unless the killer tunnels

If you have OTR and the killer doesn't tunnel you then you might not have gottem vallue out of the perk but you're still in a good position cause you weren't tunneled

If you have sole survivor and your team isn't dying then you are still in a good position cause your team isn't dying.

But just like tunneling, your teammates dying is largely outside of your control

If your somebody who is confident enough to play with a perk slot less then these kind of perks are a great way to still turn a bad match in your favor

It's not a single escape is a loss for Survivors and a drop in MMR.

Escaping from the Hatch is not considered a Win or Loss but a draw and dosnt not affect MMR.

Lucky you...that's all my games because I'm stuck in Low MMR Hell

Oh I agree but I was just stating what the Devs have said lmao. So our Opinion and how MMR works are aligned lmao.

Huh then my mistake I think I was thinking of the change they want to do to it tbh.

Actually the OP's build is for boosting both hatch and exit gate, whichever is more convenient.

If by "SotS" you mean SftS, there's easy ways around that. I used to run Calm Spirit in my build before I realized it's not really needed to counter SftS.

If a rando survivor on my team hides the whole match but still gets gens/totems done (and most of them at that), I couldn't care less if they didn't get hooked. That's actually a solid job on their part that they were able to do that. It's the killer's job to find them, not for another survivor to point them out. As someone else said, if I'm slugged at the end I'm not going to do anything to point the killer at the other survivor. I'll crawl off somewhere to bleed out and deny the killer a kill credit and give the other survivor a shot at the hatch/gate.

The flaw in your reasoning here is that you are spending perk slots on things that do not help you with winning the match, which may well become part of the reason why you'll end up in lost matches to begin with that you might not have had had you been using perks that actually do something before the match is lost. Off The Record's activation condition is not a lost round, so it's not comparable to Sole Survivor, it contributes value that can help winning a match. Forgoing perks that can contribute to succeeding in a round in favour of perks that only have any value once a round is already lost is clearly itself lowering your chances of succeeding.

But yeah, this does depend on your idea of what constitutes a "win" or "success". If you think a hatch or cheesy gate escape as the only survivor is still a win, and something you consider more or at least equally worthwhile to play for as multiple escapes, spending perk slots on that can be valuable for you. I'll also say that sure, if one is a good enough player confident that one will be contributing enough to rounds without needing those perk slots, and that rounds will mostly only fall apart if other survivors are not contributing and at that in a way no perks one could possibly use could help with or make up for, it is sensible to use slots on perks like this (but again only if one cares about escaping alone).

I really think just going Left Behind + key or Wake Up! (with stuff like Adrenaline or Resilience, maybe Spine Chill) is better than spending an entire build on this though. They reliably enable you to still escape should you be left alive alone, but they also still allow you to spend perk slots on stuff to be used in trying to not end up the sole survivor. I will also point out that there is counterplay for the killer to these things. As always, they can slug for the 4k. But even if they can't find you, if they find the hatch first, they can simply stand on it and refuse to close it until they spot you. Plus if the gates are close enough to one another or if the killer has an ability that allows them guard both gates, you are most likely not escaping through gates anyway.

zarr your contradicting yourself because DS is an insurance perk that you "may" not get value out of but is still good to have because you just never know.

I've had some games where i didnt have ds but the killer doesnt know and didnt respect DS at all but could have lost for it so its just one of those things.

You cant tell me you didnt at one point you didnt run Balanced Landing only to go to the back then super strong Dead Hard bc there were very little to no Balanced Landing areas on a map well this is the same thing.

Got Left Behind with a key ok your intentions are known, this player or i want to escape more than anything for whatever reason but it doesn't make it "useless" or means the player is selfish, it means they are tired of dying bc of teams or having bad teams in general.

If I recall correctly they are at least changing the MMR loss and gain to a team-wide number instead of counting every single survivor as a seperate vs the killer match. This way, if you indeed run the killer for 5 gens and then die on hook, you helped letting 3 other peeps escape and not suffer in MMR hell yourself.

Would be nice if they did something similar with blood points, I guess?

I think you forgot that in the game's code, hatch does not count as a win...

I'd barely call this "winning" maybe a personal victory you're basically playing to lose the game gen wise.