Does Wesker come with a tunnelling/camping agreement?

Same every wesker I went against as tunnelled the living hell out of players in my games. I played as wesker he's fun and I can 4k without playing like a douche. So much for 10 seconds base kit BT LUL

Artist does camp though, she uses her crows to camp from a distance, thats the difference.

As far as wesker camping goes... its the same as any killer with a big speedy ranged attack. It promotes hanging around a hook so you can get the survivor that comes to unhook w/ your power. You see it with huntresses that get just outside of kindred range and wait w/ their axes.

Partial agree. Killer players will start camping and tunneling when they realize the killer they're playing sucks, like when Deathslinger first hit live. They're not confident in their killer's ability to win the game even when doing really well in chases.

It's not that Artist and Pinhead don't need to tunnel to win. It's just that they wouldn't be playing off their strengths if they did that. Artist can multi-task, shooting birds across the map as she's engaging in chase with someone else. Pinhead has to interrupt the box to keep the chain hunt going, or else he's just an M1 killer with inconsistent anti-loop. That's the only reason why they don't tunnel.

I mean did you really expect killer players to play in any other way when the devs are not making substancial changes to that playstyle?

The devs have to hold their hand afterall.

Only tunneled once so far with wesker, made it obvious I was going for the unhooker, but got bodyblocked in a doorframe counted to eleven and hit the unhooked, had bt. They even brought ds.

I find it amusing that you think its us vs them when pointing out that one side gets a buff to hopefully encourage them to play differently, but instead they want to have their cake and eat it too. If you think that this is Us vs Them, you have a terrible bias attached to you.

"Tweaked things" is subjective, because to you they almost seem meaningless. Yet those of us who understand BOTH sides, know how bad Camping and Tunneling already was, not only in the lack of skill required to pursue the SAME survivor again, but also how it inevitably makes the gameplay feel more dull and like you have to play 50% of your load out with perks that semi-counter those two playstyles, just to get to somewhat feel like you're playing the game.

Band-aid perks don't interest me when the core problem still persists. I don't care what their killrates were, considering that they could have done other things to help certain killers who need it and not grant a universal buff to those who didn't need it to begin with. Hence why Nurse has become a problem lately.

I'm assuming it's because people are learning to use Wesker but also want the kills. When trying a new killer I think people should expect that they won't do that great a job the first few tries, and will probably have escapes. But some people don't accept that.

Well that's a wall of text.

Honestly you keep bringing killrates to excuse the mere fact that people are pointing out the problems the patch brought. Because in that same patch the devs said they wanted to shift the meta. Unless you forget that part too. Guess what? It didn't shift the meta! DS became OTR, Camping/Tunneling playstyles did not go anywhere (in fact they got worse), Solo Q got a slap in the face. So where I am coming from is from the perspective that while your "killrates" may have gotten better, it was not without affecting OTHER aspects of the game or completely making them miserable.

Who says you can't fix Camping and Tunneling? I legit would love to know who said this. Cuz I've heard some great ideas out there. It would require the devs to stop creating band-aid perks and actually rework core mechanics, like hooks.

I actually find it extremely interesting that you are capable of distinguishing the Camping and Tunneling that is "fair" (for lack of better term) but fail miserably at acknowledging that there is also a part of it that can be excessively unfair. Not only because (like I said before) it is LAZY, CHEAP, and CHEESY...(When I think of strategy, those are not words I attribute to skill. Skill which is what should be the driving force behind playing the game)....but also not new player friendly because of the requirement of perks that soft counter those playstyles. Not to mention the impact they have on killers like Nurse and Blight.

I am guessing your Nurse question was rhetorical so I will ignore that. Nurse surely did get an advantage through this buff. 50 seconds on extra total gen time IS an advantage. Against a Camping Nurse, this is a big advantage. Not surprising you are only pointing out the things that don't benefit her. lol

Last but not least if you have a problem with me pointing out who is part of the problem and you think it's us vs them... Idk what to tell you! I would say the same thing if survivors were claiming they needed faster gens and actually got the devs to change it, meanwhile they are still stacking up on Prove Thyselfs, and BNPs. 🤷‍♂️

I don't see balance as a one side issue.

Most wesker I have played agains't have not tunneled or camped. Just met few who camped or tunneled but they were not good. Most matches weskers have won my solo teammates go down quickly and if they don't they don't do gens.

I've said it a million times already that base kit endurance and haste does nothing to stop camping or tunneling. Its just one more hit the killer needs to get on you and even if you make it to a pallet with haste there is no chance that the killer will just leave you and go for someone else. Give the survivor 100 seconds of endurance after being unhooked and its still only one extra hit. The only solution I see to camping is to move the player to a hook across the map so the killer is forced to look for other survivors. Otherwise there is no fix for this and killers will just continue to do it.

Yeah, it's a bit weird they want to discourage tunnelling when the infection continues to grow despite being chased. It's actually in his favour to focus on one survivor until they are hindered. I haven't had a single tunnelling Wesker game so far, so either some know but don't care or they haven't realised yet. This would also explain why a survivor sprayed me immediately after unhooking me. I might start doing that too.

are you playing as Chris Redfield?

Isn't OTR a better DS now distancewise?

Uh...20 seconds of haste with an unhook with BT ring a bell? If you can't make that work, you deserve to be camped and tunneled