Awakened Awareness + Starstruck + Agitation + Nurse

Note that I didn't say "killer mains" I said "killer mains on this forum".

There's nothing wrong with being a killer main, in fact, I think the request to nerf Starstruck on Nurse was initiated by a Nurse player.

But killer mains on this forum are special.

really that just says a lot about Nurse and the game's design than anything. I'm saying this as someone who has played a bit of nurse and a lot more of the other 28 killers.

The survivors should have just mindgamed you.

I'm good with nerfing Nurse so that her blink attacks count as special attacks. I'm not good with nerfing a perk that is fine one over 95% of the killer roster because of one OP killer.

The one condition I have in nerfing Nurse is we don't try to push this into "well if the Nurse's blink attacks count as specials, then the Deathslinger's chain attacks should too".

Just rework this mistake of a killer already so other perks can shine on weaker killers.

413 win streak in the final recording on twitch (this continues still after the nerf to her addons). That's not just random pub occurrences. With how often people come across a good group, a god squad etc. you're telling me he never came across any? And inb4 "he's a great player, top of the top" you think he, or anyone else would be able to reach anywhere close on any other killer? Blight maybe (just because of all the unintended techs he has), but probably not near 413. Also, he said that Awakened Awareness was a problem before, a still is after the nerf for Nurse in his vids, and he said Nurse needs to be nerfed.

You also give the "perfect play, perfect scenario" advice to counter it, ignoring the fact that not even the majority of swfs play like that. I always say games should balanced near the top, not pro leagues, or the top tier rank, but 2nd top tier rank to maybe gold, but that's not what dbd is like, and it doesn't have a big enough pro scene for it.

Even if one masters the given advice, 99% of their teammates will not follow it and the match will be over in a few minutes.

idk the only one who seems to be on copium is the one who can't formulate an argument without it being full of vitriol for the person it's being sent to. For someone who claims to be all about "da facts" you sure inject so much unnecessary emotion and snark into your posts

Even if I think you have some good points that I agree with, you have no right talking to people like that when they've done nothing wrong other than disagree.

The clown picture is exactly something I would use for people who defend Nurse. The most delusional bunch, but I held off. I never said "*streamer* said this" nor "a guy with 6000 hours said this", I showed an example of someone whose word holds the most weight because they play the character, and have interest in that character staying strong to keep their content going, so randos on the forums can stop throwing the same excuses and arguments around, but nothing is ever good enough evidence.

I can read what I type. I typed what almost every single match of the video game that you are playing is like, and you know it. There isn't an us vs them, a low tier vs high tier. It's all the same. I'm not talking about Overwatch where there's obvious differences in ranks and people in those matches are roughly the same skill, and balance shouldn't be made around low ranks. Again, this is Dead By Daylight. Have you played it?

Firstly, notice how you said 50-150 win streaks, and not anywhere near 413? Secondly, I've seen some, they were most before the MMR change. Thirdly, 100 post MMR winstreak on Myers? I'll be waiting for that video that you'll link.

"Wow, it's almost like no one plays perfect." Isn't you first comment in this thread saying "play perfectly to counter this, and expect your teammates to do so as well?" It is.

400+ win streak on 4 top tier players with coms and as I've seen once, a map in the corner of the screen showing numbers on each tile to make perfect callouts? Greeeat argument.

I haven’t faced it yet, but it sounds like a nightmare. Not looking forward to that encounter.

Just to reiterate a bit and add something. You say "pub players". Meaning public or random groups, as in a matchmade team, as opposed to premade squads of 4 people and like tournament, pro scene players. How many matches are composed of a 4 man survivor premade, and then how many of those matches are an actual "pro squad" (let's say) that can deal with stuff like that and not a group of friends of various skill. I would say an extremely, EXTREMELY low amount.

If you haven't figured it out, Dead By Daylight is a party game. Not a competitive scene with an esports viewership.

Comparing Chess to DBD is very bad because Chess has no RNG.

DBD has immense levels of RNG, spawns themselves are RNG.

Also it was a joke

Yeah I agree I saw a big moment today that demonstrates why

Otz was playing Bubba with Lethal and he spawned on a Macmillan map, very close to a survivor. The survivor spawned in a deadzone with a hill and nothing around it. By the time the survivor realised it was a bubba and that he was coming, he was screwed.

All because he spawned close to the Killer and they happened to have Lethal

I'll be honest given the aggressive and condescending nature of your responses I'm tempted to not respond. But I'll bite anyway because I'm a glutton for punishment.

The nature of pub lobbies is, well, random. Even with the MMR system as is you could get matched with four solo queue dummies who don't know what they're doing or a four man SWF who are really good at chases and coordinating. I imagine that part of getting winstreaks is your matchups being favorable and having as you say 'easy lobbies'. I imagine another part is that those streamers have gotten very very good at their particular killers and so if the survivors slip up they will capitalise on said mistakes enormously and usually end the match rather than allow the survivors a chance of a comeback. They will also know the most efficient strats for killers, map layouts and prioritise keeping 3 gens from the beginning of the match. They would have to sweat their balls off to win 150 games in a row, that seems ridiculous to me, but at the same time I'm not surprised that's it's possible. Especially considering the amount of games where you can have DCs or people giving up to add to that tally. For pre-nerf Legion you would have to play very, very hard to win and play very dirty to pull off that many wins and have to be very experienced and knowledgable at the game to do so. For a winstreak that high anyway.

I don't know for certain what my MMR is (the game never has and probably never will allow you to see your own MMR) but I can infer that I am at high MMR based on the killers I verse. I've versed killer main streamers such as D34D Plays a fair number of times who must have high MMR considering their kill rates. And I see Starstruck Nurses a LOT. In fact the day after Wesker released I was getting more Nurses again than Weskers by a landslide and a lot of them were Starstruck ones who would dominate in their games. So naturally if I'm getting matched with high kill rate killers I'm going to assume I'm at the MMR survivor equivalent to get matched with them to begin with. But there isn't any way for me to know for sure. All I know is that this build is common for Nurses. It certainly gets a lot of attention on the forums.

So in turn the build does have a high pickrate, a pickrate which is exclusive for Nurses and no other killer in the game. Why? Because when the build isn't countered when versing other killers, it still has limited utility. A killer that can see the aura of an exposed survivor still has to catch them. But any other killer in the game would have to close the distance on that survivor, deal with survivor defenses such as pallets, windows, and LOS breakers that can cause them to lose the survivor. The survivor is given time to recognise that they are exposed and either hide or get as much distance from the killer as possible to deincentivise the chase. Nurse doesn't have this problem. When she sees your aura, she has a LOS directly to you and can blink straight to you, regardless of the distance put between her and the survivor or the defenses that survivor has, and one shot you. This is maybe at most ten or so seconds after she puts someone on the hook. And because she gets her power back very quickly she can snowball with this to other nearby exposed survivors. So the only counterplay, unlike every other killer in the game, is to avoid becoming Starstruck altogether, and this is difficult when the Nurse has Agitation and you are unsure of where she is going to hook someone and in turn which area to stay away from to avoid going into her larger TR. Not to mention how on like you say maps like Gideon and Midwich, which the killer can burn and guarantee every time, it is outright impossible to avoid altogether.

And if you happen to go into her TR for even a second, you are exposed for another 30. If your aura is revealed at any time in that period you may as well be a free hook. No other killer in the game can say that. And it is all thanks to this particular build on this particular killer where the only thing you can do to not be one shot and/or slugged is to essentially avoid her for the entire game and hide your aura via lockers. It doesn't even have to be that consistent. A few quick downs via Starstruck or one slug snowball is enough to usually throw the game into your favor to the point you have won. Especially on a killer as powerful as Nurse.

I'm not going to think that say Legion needs to be nerfed because it's possible to have a 150+ winstreak with them. It is the nature at which these games are won that matters to me. And the OP nature of Starstruck Nurse is just something that allows games to be ended far too easily and quickly and sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to literally every other killer and playstyle in the game. The devs do consider it a problem or at least something that must be considered when regarding game balance because AA was nerfed purely because of how well it synergised with an already incredibly strong Nurse playstyle. AA is not a problem anywhere else. But they are going about it in the wrong way and instead of nerfing the culprit, Starstruck Nurse, they are balancing perks in line with how powerful they would be with said build. How else do you explain the AA nerf before the chapter dropped?

This is why I think the build is unhealthy for the game. It already offers little counterplay and is little risk of whiffing for very high reward. It has gotten to the point where new perks are now being balanced PURELY around a single build for a single killer out of a 29 killer roster and over eight pages of killer perks. Ignoring the problem now only means that this trend will continue and limit perk design space further.

I myself am curious as to why you are so reluctant to have Nurse changed to compensate for the power level such a build can give her. Making blinks special attacks or even only chain blinks secondary attacks keeps the build strong while not allowing it to absolutely dominate once it gets going. What's the harm in that?

(I'm absolutely exhausted typing all that out by the way. I hate debating about Nurse more than I actually do versing her.)