nemesis hindered is awful now

They're talking about the killer Nemesis

Oh my god dude, You are probably the only one on the forum who thought about this perk, but I will tell you why, because you just read the topic, but did not read the description.

I think that Nemesis should have the power of the addon (Licker Tongue) in basekit, and on the addon either add more slowdown for the non-infected, or rework it and make it break generators with a tentacle by 3.5% and call zombies to this generator. Killer addons that somehow affect generators and pallets have always been more popular, if only because it's interesting.

I have to inform you that the author was talking about the killer and not the perk and you must feel very embarassed now that everyone saw you make that mistake.

and you have no sense of humour, I guess you belong to the minority that didnt get that

But anyway I think the post is a trolling attempt. Why would you want hindered to get nerfed. Free distance for what? Tentacle hits are already lower cooldown than regular M1 hits, kinda like hatchets

Sorry about your thread, OP. Better luck next time I suppose.

yeah they need to buff to 30% for 1.8 seconds. Currently I don't even bother to hit survivors with his tentacle after hitting tier 2 because of speed boosts and extra-health states.

I think it will be 120% because it is like that in almost every case.

120% movement speed for 0.25s gets you 1.2m away. add 0.2s of 100% speed is another 0,8m which is 2m total distance for a normal tentacle strike hit.

Using the addon will get you 2.16m away in 0.45s so an additional 0.16m which is truly a really minor effect. But the hindered effect itself steals the survivor 0.3m and with the addon steals 0.54m compared to a normal hit without hindered, and don't forget that Nemesis has half a second less cooldown after a tentacle hit compared to a normal hit. That adds up, you can't just look at the pure numbers of the hindered effect only. It is not much, but it is not nothing either

1. I think it was obvious (I even would say the "period" lol "period" notation were intended)
2. why th does it need a streamer reference? is DBD only related to streamers?

not sure what your list is explaining. what does predropping has to do with the hindered effect? and I think survivors granting free infection without you being slowed for using your power is a benefit for the killer, unless he has an exposed effect active. The only thing where it really hurts is when you are still in tier 1

THis already might already be busted because you have, unlike Healing sprays with Wesker, a very limited amount of cures through the match, which means like half way through the match the entire team runs at perma hindered, which is a big thing for a 115% killer

Btw I think his anti loop is way stronger at pallets when you dont hit the survivor but insta break the pallet. No waiting for the drop until you may kick it, being able to at least move a bit, not stuck on the pallet during the animation + no speedboost for the survivor to force him use the next pallet available. Nemesis is equally strong at shredding pallets as Bubba.

injure + infect at tier 3 makes sense as you have to build up to that point, but giving all the other effects for free? really? I mean he only needs 2 hits on separate survivors to reach tier 2, its not like he stays useless like a myers until he first reaches tier 2. even with the one addon for more progress on survivor infection, the first survivor hit 3 times is enough to reach tier 2

yeah... I totally disagree with most things. I don't know why you compare Nemesis to nurse. Nurse is a problem because she ignores everything survivors use to protect and will always be a problem in the state she is as long as she isnt't nerfed to a point where she can't blink (which is kinda what you suggest). She already got nerfed like "she cant blink as often as before" and everyone was like "nurse dead now" and look where we are now. Still the same as before, aren't we? So I don't argue on that part.

Just in short: The game should be balanced around M1 killers. But if you balance around M1 killers, you will notice that maps are the main problem. Therefore they fix it with killers that have anti loop powers and the closer you get that anti loop to nurse, the worse it will be for game health. I don't say Nemesis will be a problem if he got buffed. I'm saying it will be a problem if he gets buffed too hard. You listed 4 effects and adding all of these will not be just a slight buff and can easily get out of hand.

Not sure how exactly your next points are related to Nemesis hindered effect, so the following is basically offtopic I guess.

• I dont care what people say when something is new, they also said on PH "the telegraph! you will never be able to hit with his ranged" until they noticed this is mainly a zoning tool. I don't agree that 2% is nothing. it helps only on certain loops, yes. shack for example is easier to play because if you mess up the timing the boon gives you back a bit to compensate. and 2% is hard to notice, if the killer doesn't notice, it messes up with hit timing on when to go for lunge attacks, especially on vaults and pallets
• yeah you can chose to never get tormented, but that (in my experience) gives the killer just a bunch of free hits as you have to run into the open and PH is still faster than you while trailing.
• I also disagree that zombies are useless. They are buggy sometimes but that is a bug. and pls let's not start the "BHVR is survivor sided" discussion here. it is a bug and everything needs to be fixed. you just don't notice the effect of zombies regularly. If I play against Nemesis, zombies can be annoying AF, more regularly than not in my experience
• Where did I say that you need an addon to have OK games? I just said that it is pretty easy to get to tier 2 because you need just to hit 2 separate survivors or with addon the first chase already gets you there. This is both pretty fast. (Nemesis addons are overall pretty lame btw, he could use a pass, imho it doesnt change a lot if you play him addonless)
• I dont think that it is that easy to dodge his tentacle strike. do you only try hits open field? as soon as there are any obstacles right next to the survivor you can zone them. they cant dodge into the wall so you can make them dodge into your strike, while you can still strafe during the attack and move the hitbox into the obstacle. as you describe it, it sounds that it is almost impossible to ever land a hit, like a new billy that tries to land chainsaws at 20m distance

To sum up: Im not saying Nemesis is the strongest killer in the game. But I think people underestimate several effects when discussing about buffs and just point out single numbers or effects and forget about several side effects or the total picture.

Start to count your wins against loses. Nemesis is above avarage killer. I see no reason to buff (or nerf for that matter) this killer. When you get to 50 games - check your killrate. I am pretty sure it will be above 50% (indicating slight nerf would be OK - not that I advocate for it).

The only indirect buff would be fixing his zombies to not get stuck - that will still not make that huge difference, because it no longer happens as often as it used to.

And zombies are useful - as a slowdown. You shouldn't expect hits from them, but it's almost every nemesis game that some zombie comes and forces me out of one loop, protects some generator or even facecamps hook. Check the map and see how often has the zombie raised hand. By avarage you can count 50% of that time as direct survivor slowdown.

Naming other killers - Blight/Oni mid rush if he missed (you are out of control to correct it (especially blight has bad cancel)), Wesker to a degree (you miss (and are out of control to not go full distance) or you cancel your ability and now you can't m1).

Also it's not that rare that zombies block doors/narrow paths - they even don't loose collision, so sometimes they screw over survivors big time.

But to repeat myself - I am not against fixing zombies so, that they don't get stuck. But saying, that they are totally useless is huge exageration. They can be totally useless in some games, but they can win others on their own. It's more problem of how inconsistent they are (sometimes they work as if controlled by best team of players in DBD, other times they are just stuck on a single spot)

i'd say zombies are useless/have low impact on all maps that are not indoor's. in my experience from playing vs nemesis, the mains maps that i would notice their effectiveness is elementary school, lery and RPD. I think its because of narrow hallways for zombies simplifies AI pathing.

zombie-wise, he would need like 3-4 zombies for zombies to have good impact on the match but they said that the reason why his zombies are limited to two is lagging issues but there are many games that host more then 2 AI's in the game and the game does not lag. i have played some mods games that have had AI playing the game and one issue behind AI is that if AI get stuck, they will spam commands into the game-command prompt which causes your computer to lag and the more complicated the AI, the more you will freeze the game. for DBD AI, it can only has like 5 actions, up, down, left, right and melee attack, but for most complicate games, like league of legend style, you can make AI active item skills and do combos, like flash-throw iceball, ability 1, 2, 3 etc. but if an AI like this gets stuck with inputs, you will like freeze the game and lag client.

I would say when zombies getting stuck is likely reason why they're lagging from spamming 100's of inputs even if its just spamming right-left 10 times per second. Another aspect that might be causing zombies to lag is that no killer in dbd creates real-units, so when nemesis kills a zombie or a survivor drops a pallet. they might not be deleting the unit in memory which can create memory leaks. Zombies are likely underwhelming because they did not bother/had no time to optimize them. as a result, the zombie power not that amazing.

wow. I didn't know that. I used to play stealth payday 2 on deathwish difficulty and run solo missions completing entire mission solo. I was really good at stealth that I could beat the mission often in the first try, sometimes I messed up and need 2-3 tries. The lobby looks a lot like payday where you can see heisters but dbd, you see survivors. fascinating. I imagine AI is hard to code. Nemesis zombie power is really unique and really cool. I think not enough people give credit to how unique each dbd killer is despite the balance of each killer being less then optimal.

You seem to have some anger issues. Also several of your points are not clear in your previous post.

Nemesis is a joke cmpared to Nurse/Blight. If I queue with Blight I can get the same kill level of people that I get with Nurse or Nemesis. That's stupid unless the killers are equal in skill.

Nemesis would be fine as is with a handicap - cant play against more than 2 ppl in a swf. He is for sure better than trapper but not good enough to handle large maps or SWF. Both together is a nightmare.