So when is SBMM getting an update?

The MMR is actually pretty accurate, when everybody in the match is about the same MMR the match is normally close. This was evidenced when they were doing tests on it earlier this year and the day they had the strictest controls on how close player MMRs could be in a match were the days with the “sweatiest” matches, while the days they turned off using MMR altogether and when they used Grades had the most inconsistent matchups.

The main reason for mismatches isn’t the MMR itself, it’s that the matchmaking algorithm for various reasons sometimes ignores ratings in the interest of getting people into matches more quickly and also that people with wildly different MMRs sometimes play together in swfs that can’t be broken apart by the algorithm. But there’s nothing wrong with using escapes and kills to decide if you MMR goes up or down, that works fine.

Finally note that the devs have never said MMR is a stop gap to a more complicated system. They did say, though, that they were looking into having MMR go up or down for survivors as a group instead of individually, that way if one person dies but their sacrifice helps everybody else escape the whole team’s MMR goes up, or similarly if everybody dies except one lucky survivor they all go down. No word on if they’re still looking into that change or not.

I know i'm usually not one to exaggerate but it really is true that this is what they think. They said that everything that happens in a match is the middle man and that the end result is what it's important... it's more or less true.

To be honest, the pip ranking system is far better at determining skill than say someone who does nothing the entire match and still escapes, or someone who was hooked 2 times and still escapes vs someone who was never hooked and escapes. An escape or kill should be the final factor of the calculation to ensure points are given, but working gens, escaping a chase, not being hooked should determind how many MMR points are earned if the survivor escapes.

Also, I played over 20 games this week as survivor and lost all but 2 due to other survivors going down without a gen or 1 gen being completed. Hatch doesn't count as a win as we were told. So what's the point of MMR if you're a skilled player but lose because you get hatch or die because everyone else died early on?

Its not hard to add some variables like I mentioned, points for skilled plays, and it seems the devs are thinking in that direction but still I worry the mark will be missed. Skill is to be determined by how many gens you and the team worked, escaping chases, not being hooked, and then totalled after you escape. If you played skillfully, you should still earn points but not nearly as many as you do to escape. Like if you're the last one to be hooked and 4 gens were completed, more points earned than first hooked at no gens completed which should lower your mmr.

There is also the fact that players with more hours and higher levels have more skill. But losing because of teammates shouldn't be considered in the mmr factor. A player shouldn't be punished because they got hatch or died last because their teammates tipped the match in the killer's favor. Just some thoughts i hope the devs will take into consideration as they work on this.

As far as the long chase thing that’s why the devs were looking into treating the survivors as a group. If you manage a 20 minute chase and it helps everybody else get out then your MMR would go up as a group is the idea.

I hope in the future that SWFs can be matched more fairly. They get so many extra game advantages when they use voice communication, but it feels like they are getting matched up as if there were all solo survivors.

Maybe SWFs should have a higher MMR soft cap, and their MMR can be adjusted higher for purposes of matchmaking.

Lowkey the system we had before the current one was great, I mean sure the ques might've took longer, but you actually played against and with people similar to your level.

Rn it's the same system until you hit a threshold. Then it's back to dbd rank system days.

Atleast that's how it feels and what I think about it.

I think MMR does not work AT ALL and there must be something seriously wrong in the way you collect metrics if you truly believe the average chances of survival are 50%. In particular I wonder if you can explain:

1. How is it possible that random players like me can get a 36-win streak on killer (recorded, all 4Ks, and I can reproduce it).
2. Why killrate is used as a metric for game balance since the MMR's exact job is to bring it to 50%.

SWFs can be just as garbage as solo... just thinking of my 2 friends, lol

It does work, I have 10 minute queues and face majority 4 MAN SWF

Edit: My fresh, nurse account that has 12 losses (like 8 ddosed disconnected) and a streak of 1126 games, followed by a current standing 761 winstreak I am currently playing.

Yeah well my games are constantly like this no matter what, your at a MMR softcap where you are probably in a very large pool still.

On the other hand maybe your solid plays and chases help everybody else escape and your MMR goes up in that revised system compared to now when it goes down. In that case you're getting "rewarded" for everybody else getting out, right?

I think thinking about MMR increases and decreases in terms of ‘wins’ and ‘losses’ might be muddying things a bit. I conceptualize it as something like a range of skill-fullness in a given action. Things like:

Seconds(n) spent 10 meters away from the killer without being visible in their viewport and not concluding in a chase state

Times generator progress was interrupted

Chase escapes where the chase took longer than (n)seconds, or included (n)meters of travel

By calculating various categories of skill sets, matchmaking could then make some preferential matching (just preferential so queue times aren’t affected) like survivor players that demonstrate good looping skills with killer players that are roughly as good at catching survivors in a loop. Or someone who focuses completing gens like crazy with someone who typically applies good gen pressure. The trick would be figuring out the key behaviors and the categories they feed into (and having the logging in place to determine it).

If this is how it works, would it be an idea to losen the strictness of MMR adjustments at least a bit after each midchapter/chapter? Because everyone needs to adjust and especially people that stop playing for a few months might be confronted with a big bunch of changes.

Like new killers that you don't play against from the beginning but when most of them already got a feeling on how to use the power while you don't even know how the power works nor which addons are available. Speaking of addons, also when perks are reworked and you get info, explosions, blocked gens and status effects of perks that you barely saw before last patch

I like how different people see different things from this. Personally, I see being able to lead the killer on a long case as less of a skill thing than being able to do gens, unhook/protect/heal allies, sabotage hooks, get saves etc. Which is why when I play killer I tend to gives that player hatch as opposed to the one who ran around the map or clicked their flashlight qt me and begged to be chased. Who actually contributed to the teams success more? I get that some would say that if a survivor looped the killer for 4 gens, they were the hero of the match as they enabled the other 3 to secure the win. But without the other 3, it would have ultimately been a loss. Plus it's on the killer for not recognising and breaking the chase. Personally, if you click at me, you'll be ignored the entire match and get to leave with your 9k bp.

something, something, 5 gen chase not skillful, something, something, hockey -Idk BHVR devs