the last update changed nothing at high mmr and here is why

Yeah, you're absolutely right on the perks. Killers lost their 9 best perks, while survivors lost 4 (5 if you count fixing the blastmine bug, despite its after-fix buff).

And the two most-used, best survivor perks actually got buffed.

But the forum is filled with "reverse X nerf to X survivor perk NOW!!!" posts. Killers lost everything that was amazing. Meanwhile, there's a surfeit of options on the survivor side, because low-MMRs need all the help they can get, but that gets magnified a hundred times at high MMR where all those amazing perks get spammed and abused to absurdity.

As far as Prove Thyself goes I run Discordance as a staple now because its so popular. Nothing counters survivors trying to pair up to use Prove Thyself like chasing them off the gens every time they try.

I’m betting Hyperfocus plus Stake Out is on the dev’s watch list right now. It doesn’t look like it’s in the top 20 perks yet overall but it’s definitely seen a spike the last few weeks and has gotten a lot of buzz as maybe being overpowered.

Don’t forget slugging for pressure as well as an additional tactic. The base borrowed time really has no effect on slugging and you can focus you carry and hook time on one or two survivors and slug the others if it looks like carrying them is less time efficient than slugging and switching to the higher priority target.

But yeah, obviously extremely good survivors can still win games, ultimately the side that makes the fewest mistakes will typically win the match and if nobody is making any mistakes at all a really coordinated set of survivors has an edge. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that at all honestly. 🤷‍♂️

Dead by Daylight is not balanced around the top players. It is balanced around players of low to average skill. With high mmr comes sweaty matches. The only way to improve the experience at high mmr without top-down balancing would be to solve the core issues this game has. One of which is map size.

Still, the kill rate is at 61% over all ranks. I agree that the patch changed nothing much at high mmr, but it put solo and mid/low mmr into deep trouble. If you have any idea how to adjust for high mmr without hurting solo and low mmr, it would be nice to hear your ideas.

This is what we've been trying to change. Survivors being efficient on gens shouldn't automatically be a loss for killer. Why call it killer at this point when 3 and 4 people escape so often?

Absolutely.

It's not a "high MMR" problem than a problem in general. When DH was reworked we finally had some games where killers would end chases without waiting for an hour and a half to see if the survivor might have it. It was fun while it lasted. Now pretty much everyone runs DH again and I'm not surprised. When used how intended DH is now even stronger than before with the same boring, tedious counterplay. Though at least DH for distance is gone. Base BT became exactly what I feared it would be. A free 5th perk for every survivor. OTR proved to not really work as an anti-tunnel perk but more as a perk that heavily incentivises tunneling. Think about it. A survivor gets unhooked and healed and can now bodyblock the killer twice with little to no counterplay other than getting it out of the way immediately. Prove Thyself became more popular and effectively stronger because there are now even more perks to stack it on, which leads to gens getting done in a matter of seconds. Hyperfocus and Stakeout allow one survivor now to work as fast two survivors previously. The problem with most survivor tools is not their existence but how they work combined with each other. And in this case it's absolutely insane.

You are not going to win every match. You are not entitled to any escapes at all. Killers being able to beat you, especially if they are playing as well as you've described is intended.

See how dumb that sounds when you tell it especially to a solo survivor? Did the solo survivor die because the killer played better and they were simply bad, or could it also be due to being matched with terrible teammates? It's not just about winning or losing, it's about having a fair chance to win the game.

If this game's losses could be boiled down to skill issue, the game would be in a much more enjoyable, fair state. But the truth is, there are ALWAYS major factors that no matter how much skill you have you can never bypass. Can you tell me in full honesty that a sadako has the same chance as winning as a blight in high mmr, and if not, is it fair and the sadako player should accept it? Same goes for the solo survivor who does not play with a group. You get the point?

You can psychoanalyze me all you want. I'm not gonna change tunes just because others wish it.

Solos cant deal with it because of the way MMR works.

For example, you get a balanced match, where the killer really equals the skill of the 4 survivors (combined). Then within the first minute one survivor dc´s.

Tell me how the rest should deal with it? Even if they, as a team, manage to get 5 gens done, only the one that maybe escape would rise in mmr, eventually maybe getting better teammates. But i am glad to hear your opinion how they should deal with it.

Your last statement is simply wrong. Do you agree that at the top mmr range, nothing much has changed with the patch? Then we can simply roll back the patch, because it didnt change high mmr, and there was nothing wrong before with the base game at low mmr and solo, it was just the killer players.

The thing is you cannot have a competitive game in a game based around lack of information where you have solo and swf queue pushed together in one mode. Balancing around swf just kills solo queue, thats why, at least in my region, the survivor bonus at 100% is almost permanent (but i have to say i saw it coming down to 50%).

I for one, played a solo match today, had again 2 total useless teammates (one running behind the killer, doing nothing until he could finally use the flashlight, to then not get a flashlight save) and just played killer after that. Killer got so easy, that i did an old challenge (that i had misread i think), where i did nothing but setup until the 5 gens where done, opened the gate and still got a 4k (only to notice that i didnt have get the 4hooks during endgame collapse in one match).

I think there is weird misconception that survivors need to be amazing at looping, but you really do not need to be that good at looping. you just survive the chase for long enough time. Holding m1 on generator efficiently as a collective team is big part of survivor's skill just as much as being good at the chase. here's some simple math. each gen takes 90 seconds to do. multiply 90 seconds by 5 gens for total of 450 seconds. Divide 450 seconds by 3 survivors while 1 person is in chase. you get 150 seconds. survivor only need loop the killer for 2 minutes and 30 seconds collectively. its not really that long.

to illustrate how little time 2 minutes and 30 seconds is. Just look otz 1vs1 cowshed video.

Take Zubat alone loops trapper for 3 minutes and 41 seconds.

I'd say the game is reasonable well-balanced at base-foundation level, however a lot of the killer have pretty weak powers that do very little in terms of helping them win the game. as a result, killer skill-expression is pretty low for most of weaker killers. that is why very little changed for high-level because none of killer powers got changed. Only the base stats got changed slightly but nothing too significant that changes the outcome in term of looping the killer for long time. Soloq finds it overwhelming because soloq is heavily disorganized from lack of information they have, so even doing simple healing tasks and m1 generators can prove to be struggle in term of coordination.