Windows of Opportunity is an unfair advantage.

It’s really easy to identify when a survivor is running it (though it does look a bit silly on high levels)…if you feel you’re being looped/ran too long, by someone using it, why not just temporarily go for someone else? You know what they’re trying to do.

Though I also find the perk mildly annoying, it’s more up to the killer to know when to drop chase and move on. Or stay motivated! You’ll get them eventually.

The best killers that I have seen play don't let survivors direct where the chase goes. They cut them off and force them into dangerous situations and dead zones. It's a skill I'd love to have when I play killer 😥

That’s why I said the survivors direct the chases “for the most part”. Killers can influence and herd survivors a bit but they can’t directly make the survivor run a particular way.

If you've got a big enough net, you can catch the whole ocean

"Nerf Windows of Opportunity", from the creators of "Securing my kill", "Don't care about someone fun" and "doing my objective".

But I know the solution for Windows of Opportunity: let's remove windows and pallets from every map. Interesting what next complain would be?

WoO does nothing to enhance a Survivor's looping ability. More info doesn't suddenly make a Survivor have better movement or mindgame skill. A bad survivor with WoO is still a bad survivor, they just know where to hold W to a tiny bit faster.

A decent looper with this perk would still be a decent looper without it.

Windows gives you much more and much more useful metadata as well. As myself and others have noted in the topic, it gives you plenty of extra info on which resources have been spent and which ones you can chain together without creating dead zones, which ones you can force the killer to break to reset bloodlust, which ones you can prolong for extended durations due to their configuration, etc. Since you are both the one leading the chase as well as having 3 other unknowns in the form of allies, that metadata alone creates a big disparity between their potential values. If nothing else, think about this: Why would you need to know a pallet is no longer at a jungle gym if you had to break it in the first place? You already witnessed its destruction, you don't need a perk to tell you its no longer there.

None of this is even getting into specifics, like using it to keep track of fake pallets from freddy, or other general uses like seeing pallets drop and knowing that someone is likely in chase at that location.

I really hope it doesn't get nerfed because it's a good solo perk. There's information you just don't have as solo which windows compensates for.

There's a few ways to beat it.

1. Blindness. There's quite a few slept on perks that do this and it's got other uses too.
2. Enduring/Spirit Fury.
3. Brutal Strength/Fire Up or other pallet negating perks/killers. You can get downs/hits with Brutal Strength that you otherwise wouldn't.

Realistically the problem lies in the fact some maps are just pallet factories. Going up against Windows on Gideon as the previous poster pointed out with an m1 killer is immensely frustrating. In this case if I'm not prepared I simply leave chase and harass someone else and try catch the window user off guard. If they return to where they once were, there's fewer pallets for them to use.

You're talking about perk combos needing to be used to attempt parity. Thats outside the point completely, and limits builds even further due to requiring synergy. The original point was that Windows provides considerably more value than Zanshin, and is much more viable as a perk and to be worked within other builds without needing to be the center of them either. You could make arguments for open handed, bond, and any other number of perk combinations that it can synergize with as well.

The bottom line is that windows is a perk that is mostly limited by your ability to apply deductive reasoning, while zanshin provides much more focused value, and not as much to boot.

It's definitely one of the best perks in the game.

If you're good and the killer over commits, you can win the game in the first chase (pretty sure it's helped me frustrate some killers into DCing as well).

Great solo perk as well - Prevents bad pathing and allows you to properly lead the chase without worrying about dead zones, in most cases, that you'd otherwise be ignorant of without comms.

I never take it off.

People slept on it in my other topics, but low and behold, it became meta. This was verrrrry easy to see coming, but some people just like to be contrarian/ignore the actual reality of the game.

Run it if you can, then run the killer....if you can :P

Are you implying that because a perk has a perk that can impact its effect, that makes it bad? Or that other perks can give auras as well? I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make. If you think I want to nerf Windows or something you're not even close, as I even promote its use to give players linear value with their growth as survivors. I'd much rather zanshin have more metadata it can be used with than have windows brought down to its level.

I've already answered that.

"Some."

There will always be people who complain about things that provide their opponent any form of advantage.

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If we had a “Best post of the year” vote here, you’d get my vote for sure!

I hate this perk so much. Watching bad survivors follow Google Maps to camp every pallet is absolutely depressing. It takes away every bit of map knowledge/game sense.

The old cooldown made it fair. You were still given the information but had to actually use your brain to remember the layouts between uses.

Is Mindbreaker actually effective as a counter? Not worth trying Third Seal as it is easily breakable...

I'm not complaining about anything having to do with windows. You were originally arguing that zanshin was as good as windows, which I was rebutting. If you made assumptions based on your own ambiguity after that, thats on you, but I even clarified it wasn't the case.

For the record, once more, I think that Windows is a well designed perk, and would rather see Zanshin get more secondary information relevance than remove that factor from Windows.