Behavior freeing up perk slots for survivors

So, you're talking about two separate spheres of issues there; you're asking about killer equivalents to basekit changes and you're talking about unbalanced perks/builds on the survivor side. Those are two separate things, so I'll answer them separately, I hope that's alright.

To the unbalanced stuff like eight second heals and Hyperfocus builds, the answer is you don't. Those things are overtuned and need to be brought in line, but they're also not super relevant to the basekit changes because they're a case of improving your chances of winning, not responding to/countering unfun tactics.

As for the killer equivalents, what would the killer equivalents be? Obviously there's all the basekit changes from 6.1.0, those are the killer equivalents to, say, the basekit BT. But after that... what perk becoming basekit would universally help killers in the way that the survivor changes help them? If you squint, slightly shuffle definitions around, and completely ignore both Trapper and Hag, you could maybe get to Corrupt Intervention, but that's the only example I can think of and personally I don't want that to become basekit. It's kind of a false equivalent, killers don't have specific perks they need to bring in case survivors take advantage of basekit gaps like tunnelling and camping on the killer end.

So, part of what you're missing here is the intended function of the changes, on both sides. Just saying "meta perks" is extremely misleading, because they weren't "meta perks", they were specific meta perks. Specifically, the ones that covered for basekit gaps; the ones that were meta specifically because the game was lacking at basekit and survivors had extreme incentive to bring those or suffer at the hands of a killer employing certain tactics.

As for the basekit changes, you're cherrypicking. Not well, because the post-hit sprint was one of the more impactful changes, but still- the point of the less noticeable changes, like the blade-wipe animation and the pallet-kick animation, was for you to have less overall downtime across the entire trial. But the more important changes were the 90 second generator change, the extra regression on generator kick, and the post-hit sprint reduction, all of which gave killers far more room to generate pressure. They were good changes and they were the equivalent of basekit BT, they aimed to address perks killers felt they needed to bring or suffer at the hands of a coordinated team.

For the record, I am resolutely neutral on the basekit Unbreakable. I will have to see both it being tested on the PTB and whatever changes they make before it hits live before I can commit to an opinion. Right now, I think it could be a good idea but has too many blind spots to be abused without further changes.

Well, i read a lot that killer should get incentives to avoid certain playstyles. I think basekit unbreakable is an incentive not to slug.

At the very least make shattered hope basekit.

The point I am trying to make is giving killers a 1.2 second benefit here and there is not the same as giving basekit perks out and buffed variants to the survivor team. I don't want to do the math but every single change of 6.1 other than the DH nerf and 10 seconds to gens is negligible(on the order of sub 1 second benefits and sub 5 meter deltas in chase, true they do add up, I would argue that they still are not worth basekit unbreakable). The mini pop is on the order of sub 1 second gained(1.8 seconds to kick the gen, .025 * 90 = 2.25 seconds shaved off, it's still a net loss of time for the killer assuming other survivors are on gens)

Right, but that's because the basekit gaps they were filling were much smaller. Killer didn't have any glaring issues that could be solved by a single perk becoming basekit, and survivors did. That's why that perk was made basekit, because it neatly solved a problem in a way that no single killer perk would for killer problems.

The killer changes were still the equivalent for that update, and the fact remains that there's no clear equivalent for this basekit Unbreakable, if it happens to go through. It's not just a free perk for no reason, it's to combat slugging, and there isn't really an equivalent on the killer side unless you branch out into just unbalanced perks and builds- at which point, the equivalent change would just be to nerf those perks and builds.

How does your “strategic slugging” affect the human player being slugged?

And while you think up an answer to that question, could you name any other game that effectively allows one player to prevent another player from leaving or participating in normal gameplay for minutes at a time?

How does not being able to hook anyone after downing them affect the human player being denied? Do you want some hyperbolic response about how we should remove being hooked entirely because the survivor on the hook might feel bad being stuck there?

And of course I can do that, literally any pvp game. In mobas you can have a hypercarry get so fed that none of the 5 players on the other team can do a single thing to stop them, and they have to either votequit or hope that player messes up so badly that it gives them a slight chance, God help you if you're playing support on that team.

You can (and should) address things like slugging by making them less necessary, not by punishing all cases good or bad. Its the same logic people use to admonish camping, then lead chases right to the hook and complain the killer didn't just go the other way.

Certainly, but we shouldn't forget that this is not a typical update. It's not going live in the following update, which implies quite heavily (at least to me) that they're using this PTB as a legitimate testing ground for concepts, not just for finding bugs and getting close-to-live-fire feedback for minor tweaks.

If later on down the line they haven't made serious changes when they implement this, sure, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt for doing something different here. Like you said, it's a very integral mechanic being toyed with, it's good that they're testing it more cautiously.

They made camping and tunneling way less necessary than before, but since it also became easier, its use did rise, not decline.

The Community has already shown that the "they only do it because they need to"-argument doesnt really work.

Well, i just dont agree with you. But i do play both sides, and recently, at least to me, solo surviving has become incredible hard, because of the the killer buffs/survivor nerfs and a matchmaking that keeps giving me teammates that cant handle that.

On the other side, i recently got ALL the killer challenges and achivements i couldn´t do before, because i am just a mediocre killer. But killer became really easy (unless you get a 3+swf, because they can easily compensate, but i actually play killer only at times when they are few in between) against solo and 2swf, and either a lot of killer mains choose to ignore that, or are just afraid to lose their edge again.

I, for one, profit and from every balance change, because i play both sides, but thats why i want the game to be balanced.

And yes, i belive the unbreakable basekit is a good thing, while i dislike the mori-removal from both devour hope and rancor. They could do the endgame-mori despite having the perks do it earlier.

Yes, but in solo queue, you also get all kinds of teammates, so the kill rates mean actually a lot on your own survival rate.

Please do, Im begging you

Run lightborn and hex blood favor. Also, if you down someone at a pallet and there’s so many survivors around you that you can’t pickup: REJOICE, there’s no one on gens or at most, 1.

With basekit Unbreakable, i think we will see more survivors that will flee to a corner of the map, out of range for hooks, and they will keep running back every time they wiggle free.

And now killers cant even mori them.

I would like to hear BHVR how they think the killers should deal with that?

just give them a free escape, because they cant bleed them out and they cant hook them.?