Everything WRONG about the mori PTB before it's even out. And yes, theres ALOT of issues.

I'm not reading all of that. All I know is that there will definitely be changes from PTB to live.

First of all: I appreciate how much work (thinking and writing) you put into that comment.

I have the information from streamers that the rework of mori is because the devs want to nerf the mori? How dou you get the idea that they want the mori be more often seen?

There are further problems:

1. I as survivor am fixing a generator. Killer downs a teammate. Nowadays I have to stop fixing and walk over to pick my mate up. Then I can continue fixing because I know that the survivor can pick himself or herself up. It impacts killer and survivor tactics.
2. And this basekit is not unbreakable, but better than unbreakable. Unbreakable is one time per trial, and this basekit is said to be infinite.
3. I had some matches, most memorable, when the killer hooked one mate and downed 2 other mates. And I was standing and trying to safe the trial, and succeeded sometimes. Time to be a hero? Heroes are no longer needed, just hide.
4. It breaks the killers set of tactics.
5. And worst of all: killers are the "Kellerkind" of BHVR, meaning the unloved and disadvantaged part of community. They are nerfed and furthermore nerfed, from 2016 until 2022. How often did the mori system get nerfed? I remember at least 2 times, this would be the third time. Same with NOED. And so on.

"Maybe there's differing opinions on this, but I think "slugging for the 4k" really is only a problem when you don't know where the last survivor is so you try to use the third survivor to either bait the fourth out of hiding or you use it as a way to give yourself more time to find the last one. For the slugged survivor, this is a PITA to wait 4 minutes. If a killer tries to do that with this change, they get punished pretty harshly at 45 seconds and are more encouraged to hook the survivor immediately if they don't know where the fourth survivor is."

Thing is, you can just comb the map looking for the fourth survivor in roughly 45s phases, returning to the slug to whack them back down. You will eventually find and down that last survivor, and if the first slug still manages to get back up before you get that final down, you just repeat the process with the survivors in opposite roles.

You won't be able to repair any gens during this whack-a-mole process, so you're essentially held hostage, in a process that will likely take longer than the 4 minute bleedout timer.

This whack-a-mole game will be the only way to guarantee a finisher Mori, and the best way to guarantee a 4K after tunneling out the first two survivors, as you'll be bypassing 6 hook stages.

This will be the new meta strategy.

Yeah this is my concern too. Killers will just camp the slug, especially if the slug isn't on death hook yet. Anything to delay hatch spawning and guarantee the 4k, especially since all you need to do with these changes is down them.

The biggest problem imo with the finisher mori is that it's by far the most efficient way to close out the game. You could, theoretically, and the game with a 4k win and 0 hooks. Now, that's an exception, sure, but...

Tunneling now becomes even more the optimal way to play the game. Killing off the first survivor is critical. Tunnel the first survivor, proxy camp the second, and you can likely just win by downing the person going for the unhook. Every game will be like this, and I already hate it.

(Sure people do this now, but it means that catching the last survivor who might also be going for the unhook ends the game immediately, rather than any counter play.)

This mori system is the dumbest idea they have come up with and thats saying a lot, no one asked for something like that and they also need to change their entire game in order for it to be implemented which is just so stupid.

This will take away so many fun and clutch plays + make the tunneling/camp problem even worse, since killers now will know they wont need to hook everyone multiple times to win, they will just try to down everyone when trying to help the hooked person. The devs should be ENCOURAGING multiple hooks with how bad tunneling/camping has gotten, just yesterday i got camped at 5 gens for no reason since no one made absolutely no plays or gen progress by the time i got hooked, later in another match, the first of the night for him, my boyfriend got tunneled the entire match since he was unlucky enough to be found and hooked first. He just left survivor and went to play killer.

This entire PTB should not even happen, everything needs to get scrapped, i will seriously consider if i want to keep playing if they decide to go ahead with these changes.

Any number I didn't post, assume agreement/didn't have anything specific to add.

#1 Not necessarily - Survs (especially in soloQ) will leave teammates behind and Killers already force people out of the gates to reduce the number of survs that they have to deal with. How common that is? I honestly haven't clue besides witnessing it enough to know that it happens enough to remember.

#2 I suspect some Killers will try to slug for the 4K, at least in the beginning. If the UB basekit makes it too much of hassle to achieve and results in more surv escapes, then most will stop. But, I also think it's possible that some will want the 'quick' 4K that slugging promises, and matches will turn into a long, drawn out slug/res/slug/res until either gens get finished and most survs escape by playing around the Killer trying to slug everyone or bleed out timers mercifully end the match with a variation of 1-2 survs escaping.

#8 Tentative disagreement. I understand what you're saying and do think it has merit. However, this change potentially makes slugging way to appealing for Killers and some already have high slugging potential. Not allowing survs to pick themselves up would, I think, make matches a disaster, especially once 1 surv is already out. Now, whether or not a surv should be able to pick themselves up more than twice? Maybe not.

#9 I don't fundamentally have a problem with a nonboon perk being stronger than a boon perk because boon perks a.) can give their benefit to multiple people (and multiple people at the same time), including the character w/ the perk, b.) can give that effect to the same person multiple times with no cool down and c.) multiple boons can be placed on one totem. The later can create some pretty powerful effects. But 100% may be way too much. Until I see it play out in matches, I can't really say beyond, I suspect, this is to give a counter to Killers with high slugging potential.

In regards to your comments on perk changes - survivor or killer, I agree that potential impacts here are huge to the point of making this change seem nonsensical. Is it going to make some perks way to powerful? Will it make others completely trash? Are some perks now going to near the sad state of 'must have'? What will it mean for future perks? More Killer perks to increase time spent on the ground (yikes! being slugged is already pretty boring)? Or keep survs from getting up at all? More survivor perks to decrease time spent on the ground/prevent being put on the ground?

If this entire thing is being done so that mori animations are 'seen more', I just. Wow. What a silly reason. I could be in the minority here, but I don't find mori animations worth watching after 5th time that I've seen them. I hope the there is a different and more gameplay oriented reason.

I think they made UB basekit so killers can’t slug three survivors then down & mori the fourth, leading the entity to claim the three slugs. Without basekit UB killers could end the game with zero hooks. And survivors rarely run UB so BHVR didn’t want to make another situation where survivors are forced to run a perk to play the game.