Thats a big IF

Hoarder+the green add on that increases chain distance. Even if I don't make it to the box in time, I can interrupt the solver with a snipe most of the time. Plus, some maps have super limited box spawn locations. Lerys has 2 (I think). Azarovs has 4, one at each end of the dogbone

The exit gate area on either end on Lerys. It ping pongs back and forth. People have a great time against my Pinhead

The issue is that Pinhead's also really good at interrupting the box solver. The box likes to interrupt its holder 3 times and waiting for those to be over with often gives Pinhead enough time to show up and chain you. And if you start the box and get chained, RIP, he's on his way to your location before you've even started.

Luckily it's not a very common strat, because he's not a common killer, but versing a box control Pinhead using solve time addons and Hoarder is downright miserable gameplay. It's pretty Legion-tier. I don't really see a fix to this, though - it'd require redesigning Pinhead and BHVR doesn't have a great track record when it comes to making positive changes when they rework killers.

I... don't think that's true? Getting poked with the chains as the box holder seems random. Happens to me all the time when the chain hunt hasn't started yet and the box HUD is only halfway or at 75%. And sometimes it doesn't happen at all.

I do agree about his design being pretty messy, because using the chains in chase is awful. It's pretty much the epitome of high risk and low reward; it's super precise and fiddly with a massive time cost if you miss/cancel, and the reward is frequently negligible even when it lands. The chains breaking on the environment and Pinhead himself is such a mess, especially when the chains spawn from completely randomized angles. It feels like you can only reliably get value if the survivor is stranded far from any structures, but out in the open is one of the least helpful times to chain someone anyway. I pretty much exclusively use his chains at pallets and whenever I have his daily, which is sad.

The box is all he has, but like Legion, that doesn't make it good design. But it's what we're stuck with, so I'll just count my lucky stars I don't have to verse it that often.

Weird. I could swear that I've been attacked with chains when the chain hunt isn't active. Whether that's a bug that's now fixed, or still present, or I'm delusional and desperately attempting to recontextualize history, I've got no idea.

Speaking as the guy who is responsible for the information becoming Public Knowledge, I can safely say: No, he's not.

Especially if you have lethal, you can form accurate guesses about where the box is at the start and get a good early game. This is true and is a definite asset.

However, for the rest of the match? No. Nowhere near busted. You need constant map awareness, knowing the locations of every survivor and spawn point on a map, while getting ridiculously hard on larger maps such as Dwelling. If it's a smaller map such as Coal Tower, then the survivors don't have far to go to solve it.

But what if Ceno has perks to give info? Well, the best ones would probably be Lethal and BBQ. Lethal helps with the early game and then extends BBQ, which in of itself is a hook perks... meaning, you need to get a down. You need to get into a chase, hit a survivor twice, and then hook them. That's a big window for a survivor to solve the box during a chain hunt. If it's outside a chain hunt, then the survivor was outplayed.

All is fair.

What do you mean by difficult condition ? Also,are you seeing the gif i posted ? because its not showing up here to me

1 - Thanks

2 - You need to play a lot to learn that,i think you should be able to get something of good from your experience,that's how learning works

3 - I Think you edited your post because i saw other thing in the message pop - up here,so i'm gonna say that to find the box,you need to learn the spawn locations,that also takes time

You can literally see that I edited it.

I wasn't arguing whether or not it was a good thing, I was merely remarking that if you can force Chain Hunts on a consistent basis, Pinhead becomes very oppressive

What build do you guys normally run on Pinhead? Especially if you are looking for box and trying to take them from Survivor?

lethal pursuer I know.. also Hoarder or not?

I can't believe some people are implying there should be a pinhead nerf. His chains are useless most of the time (unless you run that one purple chain breaking addon), and the only thing he has going for him is his chain hunt. The idea of using hoarder to stop someone from using the box only works on smaller maps, most maps won't let you stop someone that easily, so people end up just teleporting to you instead.

Just do the box, stop expecting someone else to do it. Holding the box helps 3 other teammates, and solving it can help a teammate if you want to get a pinhead's aggro, making them teleport to you. His iri addon got crapped on already, I don't think he needs anymore nerfs. There's more pressing problems than pinhead lmfao

Yep. All it takes is survivors not being solo, and Pinhead can't really do anything. Even with solos, what's stopping them from getting the box? Just assume that your teammates aren't going for it, so you go for it.

How likely is what? Controlling the box consistently? Depends on the map. Easier to do on a smaller map. Not worth going out of your way for on a map like Ormond. Pinhead is still good either way.

Depends on the map, because if the survivor is too far when they grab it, you're not stopping. But on any map, a survivor can be behind a wall that you were just out of reach of with your possessed chain, and you can't stop it. His possessed chain just as anti-loop is the definition of inconsistent. Sometimes, perfect chains, making them manually break all 3. Other times, all 3 spawn behind and get instantly broken on an object. Not cool. Not a good killer.