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for the love of god do not buy the limited skins
i don't care how good you think they look, do not encourage this. FOMO, or fear of missing out, is a highly manipulative and predatory business tactic that is pretty much exactly what it sounds like. encouraging you to buy a skin by dangling its exclusivity (the thing bhvr said they'd stop doing and then immediately started doing again) over your head. please don't feed into this.
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Agreed.
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Yep.
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Agreed
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Agreed, though if I can be pessimistic... you know people are going to whale on these things regardless.
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Count me in :)
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What skins exactly? Or do you mean the Halloween ones which are meant to be earnable like every year
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Toilet paper dwight and fancy Jane
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Agreed.
I feel bad for the Jane mains because they are being put a a crappy lose/lose situation. If they buy the cosmetic they are supporting a terrible predatory business practice. If they don't buy the cosmetic BHVR will use it as a reason why they won't make cosmetics for her "no one buys her cosmetics when we do them so may as well make another Meg/Feng cosmetic." 🙄
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I mean i love exclusive stuff because I like the idea of having something to show. Not necessarily to brag about but to say hey look I have that cool Halloween 2019 skin I'm with that game since that for example just fits my vibe in games but I never felt pressed to buy because of that I ever only buy skins I would buy regardless
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Dwight and Jane's cosmetics are tagged with "for a limited time only".
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Eh they looked pretty bad anyway, but by limited time I would assume they are in their own Halloween tome/challenges? Like some of the previous ones?
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agreed
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nope it's way worse. it's auric cells in store for a limited time.
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In store for auric cells from Oct 11- Nov 3 only so they're out before the 4 weeks when they'd be available for shards.
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Well I certainly wont be bothering then, only auric cells I have are the ones I won lol.
£10 for an outfit is never worth the money imo, like you can buy a jill cosplay or the actual resident evil chapter with jill...
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100% agree.
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Do not forget that the Mikaela & Doctor outfits from last Halloween will also be available in the store... for a limited time too.
Sure, for the lot of us who have played last year, this is nothing. But for newcomers that started after last Halloween, that makes 4 outfits to be time-limited for purchase.
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I'm still buying the wesker skin
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The Blighted Wesker skin isn't time-limited.
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well good to hear
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Do we have actual proofs of this? If they really do go this low, we're going to be really disappointed.
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"For the love of god let me tell you what to do with YOUR money..."
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I like taking a stand but idk if we have enough people that will actually stick to their guns. BHVR doesn't exactly have a track record of caring if the community doesn't like something
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I'm not buying those
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I'm not sure I can. I'm not convinced anything will stop this from being our new life now, and Jane almost never gets cosmetics. I'm not touching the Dwight even though he's adorable, but Jane's my main and this is the first skin she's gotten in several years that I've actually wanted (the body part, anyway.) It feels like not getting it is just going to end up shooting myself in the foot later when FOMO marches on anyway... which is quite literally what these bastards wanted to happen on the consumer decisionmaking front.
I hate everything about this. Guess we can all look forward to Adam getting his first cosmetic in eighty-four years and then losing it again three weeks later. At least the Feng mains won't notice.
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bhvr posting that?
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I'll skip the mocking and just say we should be using this energy to not be buying the battlepass.
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They got nothing for Claudette so my resistance to their tactics are up 300%.
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Since when is having limited time exclusives "predatory business"? Are you in business? Because I can tell you what you are saying doesn't make any sense. There are successful businesses that HAVE limited time exclusives especially around different times of the year (Halloween, Easter, Xmas etc etc) What you are using as an excuse is... "I might miss out on it, so it's bad business..."
On the other hand you are also telling people HOW to spend their hard earned dollar. So I think you should look at yourself first before calling someone the A word.
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This. I can't think of a single time in DBD's history where the community tried to speak with their wallets and anything came of it.
The battlepass is effectively free if you buy it once and always hit t70. It's a one-time down payment. There's nothing to complain about... except perhaps past rift exclusives, which is pretty damn related.
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I mean those outfits both suck and are on survs I don't play. Sigh i just want michaela's witch outfit. Other parts of the event look fun though. Although the killer sweety weapons look dumb af. Like why is plague beating down on survs with a gumball machine now?
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It's an extremely common tactic in the online gaming business model and it's become very prevalent in the last decade. Denying that it's predatory ignores the philosophy behind it. Generally, you can count on a fair subset of gamers to be motivated by exclusivity and a desire to show off, but 'fear of missing out' is an even bigger factor. If DBD takes an outfit and puts it in the shop, it'll get modest sales initially (depending on who the character is) and then a very slow drip of continued revenue as stragglers and new players access that content.
But if DBD takes that same outfit, puts it in the shop, and says it'll go away forever in a few weeks - they lose the slow drip, but the immediate burst of sales skyrockets due to players panicking over potential missed opportunities. Maybe it wasn't an outfit they would have bought immediately, or they already have a great outfit for that character, but they kind of like it! What if they want it more in the future? They'd hate to want it and not have it when they could have had it if they'd just acted. So they get it specifically because it's being retired.
I get the feeling DBD got its first taste of this in the Stranger Things going-away sale, whose removal was never planned and forced on them by Netflix, and someone up there decided they wanted to replicate it. So you now have a system where a good chunk of your released content - content that was originally slated to release normally and for everyone forever - gets jangled around like a set of keys in front of an infant, and if you don't grab it - whoops! It's gone. And people that would have been patient about it before and waited until they were in a better financial situation, or who would have lost interest after the initial few days and decided not to get it, jump like trained dogs to snatch the shiny pretty before the shiny pretty gets taken away from them.
And then they do this every single month. Or more. And the same group of whales gets hardcore bilked, while your average would-spend-small-amounts-of-cash gamer loses out because they have far fewer options than they would have if the game wasn't arbitrarily limiting everything to try and make a quick buck.
The prime people it targets are those with poor impulse control/decisionmaking (especially younger people), completionists, and showoffs. It is a way to get people to constantly and repeatedly buy things they otherwise wouldn't by removing the deliberation part of the deciding process and putting pressure on the consumer, and it works so well that it's spread like wildfire.
It's only a step above gachapons in terms of exploitation, and those are straight gambling.
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Agreed. It's just a greedy business tactic that should never be put into any game. It's literally manipulating the customer to buy more.
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It's an extremely common tactic in the online gaming business model and it's become very prevalent in the last decade.
I'd like to know when has this been a prevalent case in regards to DBD? I want a date. So far the only exclusives they have released have to do with "Buy this game and you get a skin" (Other platforms, Hooked on You etc) with some of them not being outright available in it's main platform. Still not enough to say this is a common tactic as far as BHVR is concerned.
There are literally hundreds of skins in the store and some obtainable via IN-GAME currency. I am not sure how BHVR releasing limited time exclusives is that big of a deal. Especially when they release skins almost every month. So I find it odd that you would even bring up WHO exclusives target as if they have no options.
I don't see how you could even bring gambling into the mix since you aren't buying a "mystery" skin... you know exactly what you are paying for.
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I don't get why people are upset. I don't see a problem here. I think the outfits will return again next year anyways.
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In that sentence, I was... quite contextually obviously talking about online gaming in general? It's spread across online platforms as they realize just how profitable it is to arbitrarily release stuff and retire it immediately. Ergo BHVR's becoming the latest in a long line of companies to adopt this business model? That is the entire thing people are protesting; they don't want to see it here. I don't know how you could have misunderstood that, because DBD hasn't even been around for a decade.
I don't see what in-game currency has to do with anything when the skins in a FOMO model are currency only? It's the equivalent of those skins that used to be only available with cells, which they recently changed in preparation for the new FOMO system. Except BHVR can get more people to buy them if they threaten to take them away in a few weeks. Which is what I was just explaining.
And yes, these upcoming skins will be currency-only because DBD's new model is that a skin is cells-only for the first month and then can be bought with shards after. The limited-time skins will disappear before they're ever available with shards.
If you don't want to listen to how this works and why they're doing it, or you believe that it's somehow ineffective, that's your own problem. I was extremely clear.
That wasn't what they said in the surveys.
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I'll do you one better.
I ain't buying ######### till they address this.
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Mind linking the post? I'm keeping off of twitter because I'm doing a mario movie trailer watch party. No spoilers, you know?
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I guess I missed that. What was said?
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I don't remember the word-for-word, but the player satisfaction survey that came before the last one cited cosmetics that would be around for a few weeks and then gone forever. They mentioned doing that with licensed content too, which was super scary (because I would hate for them to release, like, a Myers skin and then take it away forever the next month. Licensed characters barely get any cosmetics as is.)
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Says the trick and treats collection for Jane and Dwight is time limited and will only be available from Oct 11-Nov 3. Leaves the store before the 4 weeks BHVR said original character cosmetics would be available for shards.
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I don’t understand how this is “predatory”. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. I personally don’t care about skins *at all*, so I’m not going to buy anything, but I don’t have any problem with a business charging whatever they please if people are willing to buy something that is 100% discretionary.
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I'm afraid telling people on the forums not to buy cosmetics won't make much of a difference, when there are a bunch of eager people on twitter and reddit readying up to buy them.
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I would watch those insults because you might be getting a warning here from the mods. If someone enjoys the cosmetics and has the time and money, fine. Don't call someone a rude name because they choose to spend their money differently than you do.
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It's quite literally artificial scarcity, though. I don't know how that isn't predatory business. It's trying to cause a mass buyer panic (aka a surge of people running to snap something up while they still can) for no other reason than to rake in more money.
You can pull artificial scarcity on a luxury good and it's still scummy. Never mind that a significant portion of gamers are teenagers and young adults and don't have fully developed impulse control or a good head for fiscal decisions and what they can afford. Which is why this whole thing works so well.
And from a purely neutral standpoint - such as you, who's never going to spend real money on the game - the end result is that you have fewer options for cosmetics because half the things that would be moving down the pipeline to you are now vanishing into the aether. It's not good for the game.
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This last survey also mentioned event cosmetics being time limited and not returning. It also asked which events you'd want the time limited cosmetics and if there were any reasons against doing it. Reasons against was fill in blank rather than bhvr listing reasons for you to select why it'd be a bad idea - if on console that means players less likely to fill that section out since typing takes forever.
Couple people I talked to didn't get anything about time limited cosmetics on any surveys so this was a surprise for them, also shows that not even the entire playerbase that takes surveys was even given chance to give feedback on this.
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This is not the thread to be doing this in. Normally I cometely agree but this level of anti-consumer bullshit should never be tolerated.
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Between my hatred for the idea of fomo anyways and the fact that they're sucky cosmetics that I would never buy anyways, this will not be an issue. Idk why companies would want to do fomo, it always does more harm than good.
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Would be tempted to buy them if they weren't on characters I could not care less about. If that Yui skin was in that category, I would happily buy it and thank them for it.
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I understand how this can be on the predatory side for some people, but is that really that bad?
It's not like if it was loot-boxes, NFCs, or that kind of crap.
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