can we nerf pallets a bit?

Just out of curiosity I looked up the numbers

• Survivor running - 4 m/s
• Pig Crouched - 3.6m/s crouched, 3.815 m/s crouched with John's Medical File
• Ghost Face - 4.6 m/s standing, 3.6 m/s crouched (same as Pig), 3.96 m/s crouched with Leather Knife Strap (it's a little faster than Pig with her add-on but Pig's is a brown add-on and Ghost Face's add-on is green so that's ok.)
• Nurse - 3.85 m/s walking

So TLDR both Pig and Ghost Face move the same speed while crouched without add-ons and that speed is slightly slower than Nurse's walking speed. With their add-ons the walking speed is comparable to Nurse's walking speed (so it's still a bit slow but better.)

In fact I've played as Ghost Face crouching with that green add-on and it's kind of fun. 🙂 You sacrifice some movement speed crouching around a lot but it does noticeably help you remain hidden and actually sneak up on survivors because of the lower profile.

While I agree loops that connect to other loops are a bit stupid, I feel like this image isn't really the best example.

It sounds like you had one bad game and decided to vent it all which is understandable, I've been there but sometimes there's not much you can do against a good team if you dont get a good initial start early on in the game. I recommend you try to improve your skills as dbd is a lot more balanced these days and is very winnable even against swfs if you know what youre doing,

I am a survivor main, an below average one. I play SWF maybe I can give you tips.

One of us always is bad/scared/panicking pick that one and make them waste pallets :)

Abuse our altruism ( I leave no one behind personally ).

Take a look who is the weakest chase them through pallets the SWF team will do their best to protect them trust me :p

EDIT: Don't tunnel it will make the good ones furious and will make your game even worse. Just pick the weakest one to be your "Helper" in clearing the map.

The problem is more the pig than the map in this case. She is one of the weakest killers, one of her powers is for slowdown the match and it is one of the few powers with limited uses (only along with Myers stalk if I remember correctly), the other power is a dash which is awfully bad and with addons it only raise to mediocre and her stealth is the worst of all the stealths. Also that build is bad, bring at least a good slowdown perk. Iron works is not even one of the most survivor sided maps if you have to rant about the pallets of a map The Game, Cowshed and Eyrie of crows are better objetives for ranting.

Thats exactly why you are able to make a lie like this. You can do this without repercussions because you know other people werent there, yet im a person that uses logic so im sorry that i can see right through this.

Dont you see the irony in this? Here you are making a thread about nerfing pallets, yet in this match that felt unfair to you, you still had a 4k WITH all the "unfair" pallets (not to forget as a pig who is 1 of the few killers that is very weak against pallets). Dont you see how biassed this is?

Killer gameplay is very stressfull, stressfull killer gameplay in dbd has almost NO link with how balanced the game is. you can 4k 10 games in a row and still have a ######### time as killer. So because you dont like killer gameplay but nonetheless still play it, you want to add changes that unbalance the game even more than its current state?

Since you play killer you should be very familiar with the feeling of how ######### it feels if youre not able to do anything regardless of how perfect you play. Do you understand that this happening ALOT more to survivors than to killers with the current state of the game? yet you want MORE survivor nerfs. The killrate stats show this, the steamcharts started to show this, people are leaving and YET YOU STILL WANT MORE NERFS.

i please ask you to take a step back and look at it with a less unbiassed view, and you will realize how bad the game currently is for survivors (not even talking about just SOLO qeue). i know its hard to do from a biassed view, but at least try.

Busted connected tiles ? Sure, a few maps have those and am fine with reworking but also rework shelter woods that have like 24m dead zone in the middle :D

However, the post is a clear case of "git gud". This map is relatively very balanced compared to most other maps.

Totally off-topic but do you play on NA West?

You're winning this game with a suboptimal build

Okay, thanks. I had just had a game with someone with your name so I was curious if it was you.

Survivor isn't stressful.

So you want to nerf pallets even though you still got the 4K at the end....that's the most entitled thing I've read recently. You want the get 4ks faster is what you're saying instead of having to work for it...please tell me you understand how ridiculous that sounds...

But YOU STILL WON. So you're main complaint is that you just want it to be easier to win???

Not to be funny or anything but for starters your ping is a problem which will make gettings hits harder sometimes (although most times it favors the killer) and if you're letting people tie those bad loops together you arent playing very well. that map, like most these days, has a few good pallets and thats it. the rest are easy hits.