Penalise camping killers

They don't seem to listen to any reasonable feedback on the subject. To avoid camping and tunneling there a few things that must ALL be done:

1) BP penalty (aggressive, to the point where they lose BP)

2) No iridescent shard accumulation penalty - possibly lose shards as well

3) NO objective completion in that game (daily, rift, steam, nothing)

4) Increased delay timer for their next game - 10 mins per occurrence should correct the issue pretty fast. Get these killers out of the queue

The problem comes in the talent of the devs - I don't trust them to be able to detect camping and tunneling especially when so many smaller bugs still exist (hitboxes through walls, timers, etc.)

For that to happen, the objective of the game would have to be altered. Or atleast, getting a kill shouldn't make it way easier for the killer that it basically forces them to kill someone fast.

first the hook time needs to be extended.In this meta, the generator times are so long and the killer actions are shortened.unhook time should also be reduced by at least half.

Killers have perks to reduce genrushing, and since decisive strike was obliterated, survivors don't have perks to reduce tunneling (since the killer can immediately hit them to remove OTR from play)

If we dont adjust gen tunneling then we can't address killer tunneling either.

Both are a relevant issue and it needs to change. If chases are short and gens are longer the killer can go for more chases and not feel they have to tunnel because they lose 2-3 gens in the first chase.

That still hardly matters against a tunneling killer, especially if they have STBFL on

No im just saying basekit BT is negated as well as Off the recors if they hit you immediately atfter being unhooked and once they do that they can just down you and put you back on the hook to continue camping and theres not much the survivor can do

Both things don't exist. At endgame there is no camp/tunnel as there are no other objectives. Same goes for survivor - the term makes no sense. If it made any sense then finishing a chase with down would also be considered tunneling - you normally don't leave survivors after injuring them or after getting their DH out or after 1-2 pallets are used (exceptions may apply - but that's same for both sides).

Camping and to lesser degree also tunneling is super easy and yet super rewarding and super boring. Asking DEVS (as opposed to killer players) to change this is only reasonable.

It's as reasonable as killer-players asking DEVS to remove infinite loops and abusing 1 window/loop forever for exactly the same reasons. The only difference is that one side playes killers and got their wish granted (as we have seen the catering to their side on most patches for a few years now) and the other side did not - and we see by queue times/incentives/39% what is happening with the game thanks to that.

You already have like 6 very usable regression perks. If you use them and survivors try to finish their 1 designated gen, you must be very bad to actually loose the game with very few exceptions (like survivors keeping 2+ BNP's for that generator).

Again. This person thinks patch 6.1 was nerf to killers. Don't take him seriously. Same as his "tunnel gens" "idea".

no longer applicable after 6.1. Gens take too long compared to survivor hook stages. Especially in soloQ where survivors don't know they have to focus on gens (this was issue also prio to 6.1 for soloQ)

How would you unhook survivor with killer far away if killer camps? There is just no way (and as stated before it's not possible to genrush him for it thanks to 6.1 buffs). Reinsurrance counters it to some degree, but there are quite a few restrictions (hooking in the open against huntress/trickster, basement bubba, ...)

What survivor playstyles would you punish with BP and shards loss? You can't just target one side with punishment or there would be no killers left. Both sides wants to have "fun"

Absolute numbers don't tell full story. I agree there. But having incentives on one side most of the time and yet having instant Q time is problem. So is 39% escape rate. It strongly signals overall balance of the game is wrong. Sure we can talk about different skill levels and say it's ok in some specific group, but a, we don't really know because we don't have numbers b, it would also mean that other skill groups are that much more broken - and if people loose too much in some skill bracket, they will probably leave the game and never get over that skill bracket = slow player bleed out.

As for reassurence. Sure. I use it every single game. And it's still a bandaid that does not even work all the time. Huntress in the open or basement bubba are the most prominent (but not the only offenders) examples of situations where reassurence does nothing against camper. I mean the perk really helps, but it's like current DS. It just is not good enough. And sure. For killer that defends instant unhook (can force trade) or is able to hook into 3gen. All of this is fine. But the game should allow semi-reliable hook trade. Standing on a single spot being AFK should not be best winning strategy. It makes no sense.

And for your tunneling gens. No. Again. That's bullshit. It's same as me calling killer tunneler for finishing a chase and not leaving survivor to heal himself after a chase. Makes 0 sense right? So why do you mention finishing stuff directly in front of you tunneling? Because real tunneling is ignoring EVERYTHING in game just to get LAST HOOKED survivor again on the hook. Tunneler will ignore other downed survivor that bodyblocked him. THAT is tunneling and nothing else. Does survivors ignore all the other gens just to complete a completed gen? I mean... Last I played I wasn't allowed to interact with completed gen. But maybe you had - if that is the case you could have tunneled it. But please provide me with clip of it.

Pop (yes it's still good for defending 3-gen. You just have to be in position where defending it makes sense), pain res, eruption, CoB, OC (with some other stuff to make it hard - like taking doctor) take 3 of these and you will have easy games in low and maybe even mid elo. Sure in high skill bracket you might struggle. And yet really good killer mains do looong winstreaks anyway (which is still possible with at least half of all the killers).

Also proof saves you at most like 7 seconds with a huge downside - you need multiple people on a same spot. Most of the times this will produce injury/death if killer finds you, because there's just 1 window or 1 pallet in that side of the loop (you don't run into killer). Also those 7s are much less then a good toolbox. I have no idea why people obsess so much about this perk. I mean I understand hyperfocus. But then again - how many people can really use it well enough? You usually take whole build around it which is making it harder to chase/heal/not be tunneled/camped/etc. I mean it's still unfair against killers. But at least it's so hard that only very few people really benefit from the perk.

There are more killers that can be far and still camp. Huntress in the open (say on headonfield mid), hag (but she has counterplay), mentioned twins (which btw also has same counterplay), nurse/blight/wesker in the open (distance is more limited, but it's still there) and I would even argue that freddy, sadako and dredge can too (but at least this requires skillful interactions and pretty good game sense to pull off - so I don't really mind it in these 3).

For your last point. Sure. Killers should not be a joke. They should get compensation buffs. I would especially really welcome something generic (meaning it's a mechanic shared for all killers) that is hard to pull off and punishes you if you don't get it right, but if you do get it, then it helps you a lot. Something like killer moonwalking, but much more extreme (survivor can fool you into loosing you altogether, but if you get it right, you can instadown even on shack pallet). To say it differently - I want for really good killer players to be able to show off. Same way as some survivors that are able to take hyperfocus and solo finish gen in 60s.

One last thing. Once you fall into a trap of camping+tunneling, you will slow down your progress (you getting better at killer). You will suddenly start to meet really good survivors that are able to mindgame you on every loop. Every pallet. And make your chase last so long, that 3 gens pop. They will start to look way too OP and you would see that survivors really do need to be nerfed because it makes no sense to try to chase. Because suddenly all chases are too easy for survivors. But the truth is, that you play against people that have multiples of your experience and they learn faster then you. Because they a tually chase and play the game without taking shortcuts. And they will see if they can make 1 more loop before dropping the pallet. And you will still win the game with 3k. But you will also feel like it was too hard... And the next game will be even harder. THIS is one of the reasons why camp and tunnel should go. It will help also killers in the long run (and again - killers should get some compensation for such a nerf. One that is very rewarding. But also one that does not force you to look at 1 spot and not move an inch)