Can Camping a Three Gen and not chasing anyone ever count as holding the game hostage?

Holding the game hostage is making it so a win is not possible. Examples included bodyblocking the last survivor in a niche where they cant get out or keeping someone in the basement (old Myers house).

No since there are situations in which is it fine to do.

You can bodyblock someone in a room, if EGC was already started, it is fine, but if EGC has not started then it is seen as taking the game hostage (according to Mandy ~ https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/309734/is-this-taking-the-game-hostage ).

It is entirely based on rather the survivor can do their objective or not. If you bodyblock someone to prevent them from doing generators then it is against the rules, but during end-game, survivors have no objective other than escaping, therefore it seen as fair game to bodyblock.

3-gen situations still allow survivors to progress the objective, the issue is that it becomes a war of attrition for both sides.

You said you didn't chase, not that you didn't attempt to down them. Surely by defending the gens you had to approach gens they were working on. Why would you commit to a chase that's taking you away from your 3 gen?

If they're playing overly cautious and just running away from gens the moment your terror radius touches them, trying to bait you into a chase to the other side of the map as if they think you have the intellect of a chihuahua, then it's kinda on them if they don't get them repaired.

If you are 3 gen guarding and then only commiting on a chase you can end quickly that is totally fine.

No. You're not holding the game hostage if you're doing your objective

Depends how efficient the survivors are with the gens. If nobody is touching gens or dividing attention survivors can't make use of their advantage.

Its still a mystery to me why the game still doesn't have a simple 15/20 minute time limit upon which it ends in a draw, forcibly quits and awards a certain amount of BP for everyone.

Nobody should really care about such long matches in a game where rounds are usually 5-10 minutes. Those long games will most probably not award adapt or double pip anyway at that point and/or aren't worth the frustration, for neither side.

No, because you can let the killer kill you and end the match if you are bored of trying to repair.

Yes but chasing survivors away trying to down them but going back so they don't get dragged away from the 3 gens isn't it's the absolute not moving to down is the issue and that's what banable

They still had plenty they could do as long as you were actively trying to down them when possible. If you shock them to get them to madness 3 to prevent gens, and they didnt run away but started snapping out right next to the gen, you would have to close in to chase them away with more than just shocks. Doing so relieves pressure on other gens, which allows other survivors to then push those. Even with the perks you had stacked, there is still room for things to be done if your account is honest: They will be very slow, but depending on variables like number of survivors remaining they should still win the war of attrition as long as they are able to hit skill checks.

If they are unable to do so then they are dragging things on by refusing to accept defeat, like how if you are unwilling to secure downs when it does not sacrifice pressure you would be doing the same. There is an important skill coefficient in the scenario due to how the regression presented works, as it should entirely be possible for the survivors, but operating under the assumption that they are able to grain progress faster than they lose it. These types of scenarios are exactly why gen regression rates are as slow as they are, and a big part of why they nerfed overcharge up front when addressing the CoB synergy.

If I'm being honest the account sounds more like its from the survivor perspective than the killer's (so I admit to having some doubts specifically about the accuracy of the account, even with many details being admittedly conveyed and accounted for) but this would be where the nuance of duration would come into play regarding the answers the devs/mods have given concerning holding the game hostage: Defending a position and looking for an opening is both acceptable and strategic, but it has to be done in a way that progress is being attempted by either side. As long as that condition is met and the duration is acceptable, neither side is expected to purposely throw away their position for the sake of speeding up the game. In the event of an extended stalemate, if both sides are putting forth their best effort, it simply becomes a matter of neither side having the skill to continue, which is when it would theoretically start to turn into a hostage situation. The fact that you eventually broke the strategy to focus on survivors after a while is the correct thing to have done, with the duration of the scenario being the deciding factor on whether you did it in an acceptably timely manner or not.

If I'm being completely honest, my best advice would be to learn how to route survivor chases more effectively as doctor, learn how to capitalize on 3 gen scenarios more effectively, use loadouts that focus on this type of strategy less, or simply play other killers until you do any of the above. You do have the agency to not cause the situation, if nothing else.

Ridiculous idea. The killer's job is to prevent the survivors from doing generators.

If a survivor immediately bolts from a gen as soon as the terror radius goes and runs to the house of pain, i have no obligation to chase that survivor. If anything, the survivors are holding the game hostage by not completing their objective.

No worries, I always would rather be informative and helpful regardless of doubts, especially in case anyone else finds themselves in a similar situation and could benefit from the insight. Being willing to learn is always extremely beneficial from learning from past mistakes, after all. Stuff like the duration is a bit of a relative situation so there isn't really a specific amount of time or anything, I usually use scoring events to help keep it into perspective. If you have maxed all relative scoring events, maybe give yourself a few more attempts before breaking the strategy: afterall, at that point you've capped out all of the BP you can get from the scenario anyway, so something has to change in order to be able to continue. If for some reason you already capped at the early part of the strategy, give yourself some type of internal pomodoro timer: maybe something like 10 chase attempts before giving up. or set a kitchen timer or a stopwatch or something and use that to kinda keep track of how long it's actually been. Time perception can be very relative in this game, so unfortunately the acceptability metric tends to seem a bit arbitrary.

in the case of 3 survivors 3 gens, the burden of skill will be higher on the survivors than with 4, but it doesn't quite reach unrealistic yet. The rate of gen regression by default is 1/4th the speed of gen repairs, and the mini-pop at basekit only really offsets that at a rate that matches the actual kicking animation itself. Most of your value past that would have come from survivors missing the overcharge skill check, as even the time they took to break out would have been easily offset by the difference in progress potential. The reason "impossible skill check doctor" builds are both effective and hated is for that very reason: they put a much higher skill floor on the survivors attempting to counter the strategy, while having more room for mistakes to cascade regression to a similar pace to progression. Simply put, the more they mess up, the harder it hurts them. Thats exactly why the second half of the strategy is to try to use that efficiency limitation to assess when to secure downs, and then using slugging to push the others off before hooking the survivor in the middle of the 3 gen to try to secure the kill and/or force the efficiency cap that makes finishing the last gen impossible. Once that happens you have considerably more time and freedom to pursue of the survivors, and go for securing a 3k while having the potential to still get the 4th if they dont finish the gen fast enough.

I would recommend using other killers to learn how to effectively 3gen instead of doctor, if only to prevent the situation you were in. Plague tends to be a popular one due to how she can keep survivors injured consistently, while also using their cleansing attempts to create a snowball resource to capitalize on said pressure situations in a more interactive way. Part of the issue with 3 genning as doctor is that it forces inactivity due to how his power works, which is why it can be more oppressive compared to other killers, especially in the case of a stalemate. The nice thing about learning 3genning with more "fair" killers is that you also get a lot of insight on how to beat a 3 gen when playing as survivor. Its a lowest common denominator strat in the sense that any killer in the roster technically can 3 gen, so you can use any killer in the roster to learn the nuances of the strategy and then have them to apply later with the killer of your choice.

I think the biggest takeaway is that winning a 3 gen as killer generally requires more skill and planning than just the loadout and gen positions. Having one but not the other tends to just lead to stalemates like the one you experienced, and the skill of how to handle it (on either side, really) isn't some concrete thing, its a combination of understanding and predicting moves from your opponent, paired with maximizing your own efficiency when you can. If you're familiar with genres like MMOs, you could think of it like a "burst window" when you have the ability to injure or down a survivor without sacrificing your position. All of the holding things hostage stuff comes from taking too long and/or too many attempts to make your move, which is when you would be expected to consider abandoning the strategy. Try not to think too much about whether you have done something wrong or not, but more on how reasonable the situation started and became. Then just adjust your perspective from that and keep it in mind for future attempts.

I think 20 minutes is too short survivors could try to hide that whole time and sometimes matches just last longer even they go normally. Something like 30-40 minutes could be more reasonable timelimit.

Yeah but a killer can choose to camp the 3 gen on one side of the map and never leave. it's not always the survivor's fault, it's a game design flaw at best. RNG plays a big factor in how close gens spawn together.

I don't think it is.

I'm fairly certain the reply was pertaining to the use of Madness 3 to indefinitely stall the game, providing no option/opportunity to even attempt gens.

"...purely stalling the game by keeping everyone in Madness 3..."

"...used to grief instead of win..."

If they can't learn to work as a team to get the gens done, then no. As long as you're committed to going for them, if you can. If they aren't going near the gens though, or they come but then run away and you kick it, nope. Eventually one side will give. But if you're actively just kicking gens and not going for the survivors if they get within range, then yes. It's a gray line, because technically them not doing gens is considered holding the game hostage as well. So make sure you're at least trying to get them.

Nah, 20 minutes is fine. They could prevent hiding by revealing auras of anyone who hasn't done anything to progress the game(for at least 60 seconds) after 120 seconds. So, if during those two minutes, someone doesn't at least work on a gen or cleanse a totem or open a chest for a combined time of 60 seconds (could be 30 seconds in the first minute and 30 seconds in the second), their aura is revealed. Devs could play around with the times.

More than 20 minutes is just too long for a match. I'd rather let the entity kill me and get minimal points.

The killer's objective is to prevent the survivors from escaping, letting them do the generators while another survivor leads you to the killer shack is not going to help you do that.