How would you buff the "meme addons"?
For definition's sake, a meme addon is an addon that directly debuffs your power, with no upside other than extra Bloodpoints.
I think that these addons should have an upside attached to them, so that they function in a way similar to Legion's Never Sleep Pills or Plague's Prayer Tablet Fragment. Instead of being a straight debuff, they should nerf your power in some ways while buffing it in others.
To keep to this idea, I have one guideline for suggested changes, and that is keep the debuff if possible. Try to think of an interesting upside that makes the downside somewhat worth it.
A list of all of the current meme addons in DBD:
- Padded Jaws (Bear Trap) - Bear Traps do not injure caught survivors.
- "The Beast" - Soot (Wailing Bell) - The Terror Radius is no longer suppressed while cloaked.
- Speed Limiter (Chainsaw/Bubba's Chainsaw) - Chainsaw hits only deal one health state of damage.
- White Nit Comb (Spencer's Last Breath) - Decrases the lunge of Blink Attacks by -50%.
- Dull Bracelet (Spencer's Last Breath) - Reduces the maximum blink range by -4 meters.
- Kid's Drawing (Dream Demon) - Reduces the movement speed penalty of Dream Snares by -10%.
- Rickety Chain (The Redeemer) - Increases the rate at which Survivors break free by +33%.
- Placebo Tablet (Blighted Corruption) - Reduces Rush movement speed by -15%.
- Memento Blades (Showstopper) - Survivors take 1 extra knife to injure.
- Bent Nail (Summons of Pain) - Reduces the amount of Support Chains by 1.
- Videotape Copy (Deluge of Fear) - Teleportation does not inflict condemned.
(Note, Rotten Pumpkin and Jewel Beetle have been deliberately omitted, as their downside can actually end up being an upside somewhat frequently)
I'll start with one:
Rickety Chain - Increases the rate at which Survivors break free by +33%. Increases the movement speed of the spear by +15m/s.
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i'd make them actually provide bonus bp instead of just filling the category faster
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The biggest problem with the meme add-on is that while the basic design is to "get a BP bonus instead of weakening the ability", at several points they are rendered meaningless.
First, although BP bonuses can be earned, they are meaningless because, in the end, the maximum BP category limit for a single game remains the same.
Second, in addition to that reason, it is easier to earn BP by playing superior games without the meme add-on.
The meme add-on, contrary to its design, just makes it a harder mode.
Plague is the only meme add-on that should be nerfed because its effect is designed to have too much benefit to gain compared to the disadvantage of not being able to infect survivors directly.
Bubba can be combined with Ultra Rare for more interesting gameplay.
Wraith can be used with the same common add-on that eliminates 6 seconds of TR for interesting gameplay.
But the other killers are terrible.
At any rate, what I am asking for is not a change in effect, but the elimination of the BP gain cap when using these meme add-ons. Or it should be calculated additionally after the game like the old BBQ.
Maybe not the comment this thread is looking for... This is my sincere wish.
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I would count matchbox as an meme addon to and all that needs is to don't be an iri anymore
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Aside from bonus BP, I'd want confetti to spray every time you injure a survivor like Clown's bottles. It would just make me happy.
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cute idea!
The first thing that popped into my head was some sort of funny music/ sound effects, like "boop" or something. 😜
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Double bp at the end of a trial
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Here’s my ideas for buffed meme addons
Tricksters Memento blades
-increases number of blade hits to reach maximum laceration by 1.
-increases the maximum carried blades by 16.
-start the trial with 16 additional blades.
OnRyo videotape copy
-Projection does not inflict condemnation to nearby survivors.
-decreases time it takes for a tv to turn on after projection by 90 seconds.
-decreases the time it takes for survivors to gain condemnation by 100% when holding a tape.
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Hmm, good topic. I've long not been a fan of meme addons and wish they behaved more like Plague's, serving as playstyle changers instead of straight downgrades.
I can only think of a few that might actually be viable, but maybe, in addition to their current effects:
Padded Jaws - Escape attempts and teammate untrapping take twice as long, so the Trapper has more time to reach random traps across the map at the cost of not inflicting a damage state if he fails to.
Hillbilly Speed Limiter - Increase turn rate by a significant amount, so that the chainsaw is more widely accessible as a looping tool at the cost of lethality.
Memento Blades - Laceration only decays to half its original amount instead of disappearing completely.
Rickety Chain - Entering iron sights happens at a greatly reduced rate and exiting iron sights without firing takes an extra amount of time equal to the amount that's removed from entering. (Basically, Deathslinger can quickscope with this addon, but he can't fake shots any more effectively and he can't do risky pulls without the chain breaking.)
Videotape Copy - Teleportation happens 1.25x faster.
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I was kind of expecting to see Scarred Hand here, considering removing the Hag's teleportation power without any speed compensation just about makes her the worst m1 killer ?
Could be wrong and maybe it has awesome plays possible with it, but the only time I've seen people use that it's to make shack a deathbox and it's not very riveting gameplay.
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Scarred Hand at least gives something in return. It's super gimmicky, but it doesn't just disable the ability to teleport for extra bloodpoints.
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I guess you're right, though it does give a bloodpoint compensation.
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Yeah, that's what I'd do to Memento Blades too, except I'd add a throw rate bonus to make it what it was before his rework. It'd be basekit Old Trickster with Melodious Murder, essentially.
Videotape Copy is an interesting idea too, however I'd personally put the numbers at 70 seconds. Teleporting to a TV every 10 seconds might be extreme.
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Yeah, so do Vanity Mirror and Scratched Mirror, but I wouldn't classify those as meme addons either.
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Wym they need buffs? Clown confetti bottle is meta!
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Nice ideas. Padded Jaws would be like a souped up Wax Brick with a downside.
Speed Limiter would be really funny to watch honestly, I can only imagine the insane curves that would be made possible.
Memento Blades is an interesting idea, you'd be able to pre-stack Laceration at the cost of taking another knife to injure. Could make for some interesting plays and would add some strategy.
Rickety Chain would bring back instascope slinger so I doubt we'll ever see that lol.
Videotape Copy could be nice but I'd make the numbers 1.5x instead of 1.25x.
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Hey, why would I put the best addon in the game on this list?
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I'd agree with this. Perhaps make it so that the 100% BP buff can exceed the maximum BP allowed (so exceed 40k in non-event times). Or maybe it guarantees no Entity intervention for the next entire bloodweb level on top, sp you can grab more goodies than usual.
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Should be made more similar to Plague's, where they actually change up the killer's playstyle into a different, argueably weaker one. I actually deliberatly run Plague's quite often because it's fun and can actually still be pretty strong.
I guess you could also look at Freddy's pallet addons and Hag's bodyclock addon, they both fundementally change how you play the killer, and are generaly considered weaker than not running them, but some people find them fun.
Most meme addons are just not worth running because as mentioned earlier, the extra bp you earn isn't worth how weak they make you, and often you'd actually have just earned more BP by running a stronger addon and performing better in the game. You'd need to significantly up the amount of BP you earn with them AND make it so the extra BP is added on at the end of the match so it breaks the cap you can normally earn in game, -then- they'd be worth running.
Clown's Party Bottle is cool though.
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I'd love to see these add-ons have effects that actually impact the match versus just giving some extra bloodpoints which don't affect the match at all.
- Padded Jaws (Bear Trap) - Bear Traps do not injure caught survivors. However his traps take significantly longer to escape.
- "The Beast" - Soot (Wailing Bell) - The Terror Radius is no longer suppressed while cloaked. However the Wraith can do basic attacks while Cloaked. Doing so will automatically Decloak him, but that first swing can be done from the state of being hard to see with no red stain. (The survivors will hear him coming because of the Terror Radius, but might have trouble actually seeing him.)
- Speed Limiter (Chainsaw/Bubba's Chainsaw) - Chainsaw hits only deal one health state of damage. However the rev time of the chainsaw is greatly reduced, so you can go into the chainsaw sprint very, very quickly.
- White Nit Comb (Spencer's Last Breath) - Decreases the lunge of Blink Attacks by -50%. However your delay before becoming stunned is longer and you can also do two Blink Attack swings in a row without becoming stunned.
- Dull Bracelet (Spencer's Last Breath) - Reduces the maximum blink range by -4 meters. However you do not look at the ground while stunned.
- Kid's Drawing (Dream Demon) - Reduces the movement speed penalty of Dream Snares by -10%. However Dream Snares can hit survivors who are awake.
- Rickety Chain (The Redeemer) - Increases the rate at which Survivors break free by +33%. However your turning speed while aiming is not reduced. (Normally while aiming the rifle your turning speed is very, very slow. With this you could turn however fast you like.)
- Placebo Tablet (Blighted Corruption) - Reduces Rush movement speed by -15%. However you can Rush straight through pallets ala Hillbilly's LoPro Chains add-on.
- Memento Blades (Showstopper) - Survivors take 1 extra knife to injure. However you carry double the normal ammo.
- Bent Nail (Summons of Pain) - Reduces the amount of Support Chains by 1. However when you hit with a chain it immediately spawns another chain that flies toward another nearby unchained survivor (aka "Chain Lighting" chains that can hit multiple survivors in a single cast).
- Videotape Copy (Deluge of Fear) - Teleportation does not inflict condemned. However you do not Manifest after projecting and can make basic attacks while Demanifested. Making attacks automatically Manifests you afterward.
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I'm stealing this from lilith omen here, but placebo tablet just does nothing now. Since you know, it's a placebo lol.
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I made it 10 seconds cause Demogorgons cooldown for portals are 10 seconds. So it’s fair that Sadako has a 10 second cooldown cause she can’t spread condemnation.
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That would be kinda funny ngl, but what if it increased your FoV while rushing so it made you feel faster, while not actually increasing your speed?
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Don't say something like that, when it will never happen.
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Excluding the specific changes, my main general change would be "all earned extra bloodpoints are going into 5th separate category" so that you can earn up to extra 10k if you bring an addon.
- "The Beast" - Soot (Wailing Bell) - The Terror Radius is no longer suppressed while cloaked. Not changing, there are valid playstyles with it.
- Speed Limiter (Chainsaw/Bubba's Chainsaw) - Chainsaw hits only deal one health state of damage. Not changing, works fine because bubba can still land these 2 hits in one chainsaw rush.
- White Nit Comb (Spencer's Last Breath) - Decreases the lunge of Blink Attacks by -50%. No idea.
- Dull Bracelet (Spencer's Last Breath) - Reduces the maximum blink range by -4 meters. No idea.
- Kid's Drawing (Dream Demon) - Reduces the movement speed penalty of Dream Snares by -10%. I'd make it so dream snares don't disappear once triggered. It will turn freddy into more information gathering killer than antiloop one.
- Rickety Chain (The Redeemer) - Increases the rate at which Survivors break free by +33%. I'd make it so that Slinger's terror radius is back to old numbers with that addon (24 meters)
- Placebo Tablet (Blighted Corruption) - Reduces Rush movement speed by -15%. Somebody suggested to remove speed penalty and just give extra FoV to actually make it placebo. Great idea.
- Memento Blades (Showstopper) - Survivors take 1 extra knife to injure. It should just revert Trickster back to his old state where he could throw knives much faster but required 8 knives to injure somebody.
- Bent Nail (Summons of Pain) - Reduces the amount of Support Chains by 1. Chains can't be broken by pinhead.
- Videotape Copy (Deluge of Fear) - Teleportation does not inflict condemned. TV cooldown is decreased by 50%.
- Padded Jaws (Bear Trap) - Bear Traps do not injure caught survivors. Survivors can't free themselves for first 30 seconds after being caught.
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Dull bracelet could make you move at 4.6 while blinks are recharging
White nit comb could reveal the auras of survivors within 8m of you when you reappear from a blink
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For placebo tablet it should have a different downside.
My idea is "injured survivors hit by lethal rush will be put into the deep wound state instead of dying state, deep wounded survivors will be put in the dying state like normal"
Then it can be granted a bonus to go with it like faster recharge and fatigue. Basically you have to get 3 hits instead of 2 to down someone but his power is a bit better.
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Pretty sure No Mither should get a mention here. I feel like it should either just give you 100% bonus bloodpoints for everything. Or remove the grunts of pain entirely, like I know 25% volume is pretty quiet but you shouldn't be passively making noise the entire game while broken. And maybe a bonus to struggle progression would make it less of a death sentence when you get downed
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I think they should remain as if but as @AnneBonny said increase the amount of BPs you get past the 10k limit. They are meme addons, you dont buff them to be viable in a meaningful way outside of "I want more BPs and Im willing to weak my power for em" situations.
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