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LIST of Survivors' Double Standards (and proof that Survivors are more toxic)
Hello, I compiled a list of disgusting double standards within the community that compares similar actions on both sides and how unequally they are perceived. If you have any additions, please let me know in the comments :)
Killer Making the game "Boring" for the other side
A lot of killers get called out for making the game "boring" in the way they play. However, no one calls out survivors for rushing gens in 5-6 minutes and making the game boring for the other side :)
Objective Efficiency
When a killer does his objective efficiently, it is despised. But when survivors do their objective efficiently and get called out on it, survivors lose their minds and scream "but it's my objective??? what am I supposed to do". Yeah, so is the killer's to kill.
Objective Tunneling
When a killer tunnels a survivor, it is despised. But when survivors tunnel a generator in front of your face, even if it costs them down, then it's okay. Learn the definition of "tunnelling", survivors do it often too but are not called out on it.
Camping & Tunneling = Skillless Killer
Often survivors like to tell killers that they're "unskilled" because at some point in the game they camped and/or tunnelled. When a killer tunnels and camps, he's a no skilled player, but when a survivor does awful chases and is not able to do anything properly besides gens, then no one calls them out for it and no one tells them they were "skillless"
"Rubbing it in" after a guaranteed win
Survivors teabagging at exit gates is not frowned upon enough. Imagine if killers had global teabag ability, and would teabag after the guaranteed death state of a survivor. The community would lose their minds instantly.
Waiting at Exit Gates
Many survivors wait at the exit gates to "show the killer that they have escaped". Again, this is not frowned upon enough by the community. Imagine if most killers would wait at the hatch to see a survivor coming and would close it in front of their faces. The community would lose their minds, again.
Slugging for 4K
A lot of survivors are vile when a killer slugs for 4K, calling them "sweaty" and telling them to "touch grass". But when 3 man squad comes body blocking 5 times in 5 minutes during the endgame for that one person to live so that all 4 can escape, then it is FINE.
Negative Comments on Profiles
This is just a general one but applies regardless. Watch how many negative comments a killer main receives and a survivor main - it is day and night. I can also bet if "beloved" Otzdarva would play anonymously and have his comments section open, even he would get bombarded by negative comments (+ a few death threats likely)
Picking Strong Killers
A killer player decides to play Nurse with range add-ons. A lot of times they will be called out for being sweaty. But when a decent SWF group up to play a game to win, then it is fine - "they're just friends". Don't blame killers for picking strong things, then we also don't blame you for playing a SWF, deal?
The 4 gen regression build
It is a funny one. Survivors like to cry a lot about killer-picking 4 gen regression perk build because apparently, it's taboo and toxic. Meanwhile, the same survivors also run DH, Windows of Opportunity, Hyperfocus and Stake Out. You have no right to call out a killer build if you are running the meta builds too.
The General "Toxic" Persona
Again, a funny one. The community creates a lot of content regarding being a "toxic survivor". This is especially relevant with streamers who main survivors. Apparently, it is a hip thing to do and is quite cool (and also fine). You're just playing in a "specific style", even though that style revolves around being as annoying to the other side as possible. Now imagine what would happen if a killer streamed with "toxic" persona attached to him. I.e. bming a lot of times, camping/tunnelling, hitting on hooks, head nods etc. He would be crucified for it. However, when you do it as a survivor, oftentimes more than not, it is a cool thing to do 😎 Stop the acceptance of "toxic" personalities within survivor gameplay or don't trash-talk killers who do the same.
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Agreed. Toxic players can be both sides, but mostly it's survivors.
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I think toxicity is not defined by one's actions within a game, but one's actions outside of a game.
However, in regards to the amount of toxicity, if you took the amount of people who play solely each side, youll find an even percentage of toxic players for either side. You are more likely to run across a toxic player who is a survivor just from the role demanding more people in comparison to killer.
But ultimately, I think double standards should be directed towards to players who use them, Im kind of tired of the "all survivors do ___" and "all killers do ___" posts. We cant have one day without some form of discourse.
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I don't think making a yet another thread pitting survivors against killers on a matter of honor or faith is very healthy, even if this is presented with remarkable clarity.
I'm sorry for what's heading your way.
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DBD community likes to use "toxic" as in "strong, oppressive gameplay" with some extra flashlight clicks & teabags there and here rather than the actual definition of a toxic player. So I used the same definition, even though I disagree with the definition itself.
Though I think using double standards itself is also a toxic thing to do. If you tell the opposing side how to play the game, but ignore your own gameplay and be hypocritical, then it's not a nice thing to do. Even more so if you shame the opposing side for it (which usually happens)
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Yeah, we should totally ban all survivors in the playerbase.
That'll teach em!
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I do not see having a double standard as toxic, but what I see it as is a call to change, people who have double standards are more self-indulgent and lack the ability to empathize with those at the tail end of but expect empathy in return.
But the truth is that everyone does it in very mynute ways, and most people change accordingly, some people dont, which is why you just nudge them in the right direction, but I do not think this is the way of doing it. There are better and more effective ways of handling it.
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No, but the double standards should be called out, mostly by DBD influencers (streamers, fog whisperers, content creators, etc.)
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Give ghostface a global teabag
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Personally, I don't think that in any game there is a thing like "I play both sides all the time". It's false.
Each person prefer some role over other.
Even in the tournaments of a teamplay games, each person of a team maining 1 role. And he\she plays and practice this role most of the time.
Even if someone plays different roles, they do that mostly for fun, but they do have a main and a main role.
Exactly for this game: Killer mains and Survivor mains see the game completely differently.
Survivors: "There is more toxic killers than survivors."
Killers: "There is more toxic survivors than killers."
Unfortunately, this thing is something you can't really deny in a asymmetrical game, there is always will be a "Fights and argues between survivors and killers", since everyone has a main role, as I mentioned above.=)
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It IS toxic if you also shame the opposing player for it. It is no different than saying the other person sucks at the game and flaming them for it. Except that you try to use "logical" arguments for it, which they are not. Basically gaslighting.
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If you shame an opposing person over it, that ties back to what I said earlier. "Toxicity is not defined by one's actions within a game, but one's actions outside of a game."
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*Insert general surv insult here* I agree. As killer I quit being nice to whole teams , I'm nice to a single person if they are the last surv and clearly just want to leave .
I love watching King Wolfie on YouTube cause he doesn't give af
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Let's be real, most people who call out killers for playing a certain way also use adjectives such as "noob killer", "baby killer", "trash". No one says "you tunnelled and camped" and that's it, it always ends up with some sort of derogatory remark with respect to another person's skill, or worse, outside-of-game remarks.
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I disagree. It's nothing toxic about shaming the person for doing bad stuff imo.
If the guy cheating in my match to take advantage over me or being really toxic (I mean real toxicity), I will shame it, report it, and I'd say others to report it as well.
But yes, I'm not going to "reveal their names" to the audience or something, only me and the guys in the lobby.
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Oh I'm not denying them the right to debate, I'm sorry if it felt that way, that was unintentional. I just think it rarely has any positive outcome, but I could be wrong.
I'm lucky to rarely see any of these behaviours in game on either side (I can't remember the last time someone teabagged me and I've only ever been hit on hook a couple of times), so coming on the forums is always an adventure in seeing the other side of DbD, haha !
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There are 4 survivors versus 1 killer, what did you expect?
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Fair, but that's not the point of this thread. The point is that there are many cases where survivors flame the killers but do the same (or worse) actions on their own side.
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this is my new bible now, thank you
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In this case I agree, If you shaming someone for something, don't do that "something" yourself.
There is even a word for that... I forgot...
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(I have to say this) Did someone told you that you're a really nice guy?=)
Don't apologise for anything, discuss freely on a forum, your opinions really matter.=)
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It's easier for survivors to be toxic because the killer is "the villain" in this game. Why would you be polite to a villain, right?
Ignoring the fact that the killer is controlled by an actual person and is not an actual evil being, merely your opposition in a video game. But this is the mindset.
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Yes, I think also that it's most of the reason (with the addition of 4v1). It's a really fascinating psychological study of such behaviour - I never experienced it to this degree in other games.
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Yeah I played years of dota with people screeching at me in Spanish and Russian and never got remotely close to the amount of toxicity and you see in this game. Every third killer match I get death threats or invited to commit self harm. Constant invites to Xbox lobbies so they can find my IP address and DDOS me. I play off meta killers with off meta builds and it simply. Does. Not. Matter. I'm the bad guy and deserve all the invective they want to throw at me. It's exhausting.
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They only do that by the way you played a killer. Not coz you simply playing a killer.=)
I find that some survivors can blame you for stuff you didn't even do so...
Also, if you receiving such behaviour from them after a match, don't forget to properly report it, because it's not acceptable.
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However, no one calls out survivors for
Killers literally complain about everything you mentioned pretty much daily. "No one calls out survivors" this thread is literally done every day.
There's things that are toxic on both sides and things that are called toxic and aren't on both sides, but saying that "nobody ever says this about survivors" is just wrong.
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"Delaying the end of a favorable gamestate so that another gamestate favoring the enemy doesnt start" its toxic when killers do it by slugging the second last, but 99ing the gates is fair and normal.
Lets give survivor all that good meta effects basekit and buff the hell outta those perks, after all killers got some number changes aking to 1/3 of a perk.
Swf gap to be closed by buffing survivor which also may help swfs more than solo. On killer side people are frothing till the top gets gutted.
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I play both survivor and killer very efficiently. As a killer, I constantly get negative comments/remarks about the way I play. As a survivor, I get mostly +reps from other survivors and almost no negative comments from killers. You simply go through so much more unjustified sh*t when you play as a killer compared to the survivor. And I started playing DBD in 2019, so it's not a recent development.
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Please for the love of God come to the realisation that most people play both, toxic players are toxic players. The only reason that it might seem that survivors are more toxic is that there are 4 of them to every killer in every match.
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I do, but we both know reports do nothing without video evidence and a signed notorized affidavit from yourself and the offending party in which they admit guilt. It helps to have them on camera making a formal apology as well.
I am the nicest killer you will ever meet. I always give the last survivor hatch or gate. I barely run regression perks, I wouldn't run them all all if games didn't end in four minutes without them.
The problem is that anything you do as killer is construed as toxic. If you body block with BT and I rehook you or leave you on the ground, that's toxic. If you're the only survivor I can find because you keep bagging at pallets and consequently get outplayed because you are in fact not as good as your favorite DBD YouTuber, that's toxic. If you get yourself into a three gen and I have the temerity to defend it, that's toxic.
Fact of the matter is that survivors have unrealistic and ridiculous expectations of killers. God help the people that DC on the first down vs. my clown. They must instantly explode when they play vs an actual good killer.
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"The problem is that anything you do as killer is construed as toxic." - Yes, right.=) Thats why I stopped being nice and just playing the game casually, also... Some survivors don't even want you to be nice. They find it... Rude...? (Fragile ego)
You play the game how you want, and you're doing the right thing tho.=)
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Yeah, this is probably the logical conclusion for your character arc.
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Sigh....another post pitting killers and survivors against one another. Why cant people just enjoy a casual horror game regardless of the outcome.
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:D
I think you're pretty nice as well !
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I do not think it's necessary having a post such as this on our forum - there's behaviour on both sides that isn't ideal but well within the confines of the game.
A post that specifically attempts to shame one side of the playerbase in this manner really isn't welcome here at all.
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