The two survivors, too many gens to finish mindgame is stale

Old hatch was better all 4 could escape with one key with doing few gens.

Whenever you slug for the 4k, you are purposely delaying the game because you dont want to give the 4th surv the slight chance of escaping through hatch.

It is not as if it was an accident that you happen to slug or you were forced to.

If you slug for the 4k, then you are on the same ground as those surv hiding you are ranting upon.

Firstly, you don't "deserve" a kill in a situation like that any more than a survivor "deserved" the escape just because they made it to the exit gates and got downed and picked up in them.

However, I do agree that for a whole lot of reasons it would help if the hatch essentially counted as a kill as far as points, pips and any achievements/challenges are concerned. The killer did already win from a mmr viewpoint, a kill-based viewpoint and a lot of the time from an emblem viewpoint. And it's already treated as a neutral result mmr wise so it's a sorta logical next step that doesn't actually impact gameplay in any way.

>survivor sided game

If your complaint happens often enough for you to get salty about it, then maybe you have to admit that 61% is more than enough for your side?

Or, no, I'm sorry. Go on about how it's SO HARD when you're winning

It's annoying but an issue like this is a sign of something wrong with the game. A game shouldn't be over when only half of the survivors are dead.

If a survivor had managed to survive that long, evade you and find the hatch or do the doors they played well and you played poorly. Their job is literally to evade you and survive by whatever means necessary and yours to find and kill them by whatever means necessary which is obviously where 'I'm gonna slug and go after the fourth player' attitude has come from. Unfortunately, for you, survivors are wising up and not falling for the trap you're setting. BHVR also clearly agree with this because they're making unbroken base kit allowing slugged survivors to get up.

A 4K for killer, or a 4 man escape is meant to be the result of exceptional play. Slugging and expecting a survivor to walk willingly into your 'trap' isn't that. You don't deserve anything.

That was awful. A more extreme case of survivors not even doing their full objective and escaping for free. Keys needed to go, and they still do. Supposed to be "limited time item" but we're kept permanently and open hatch even after the killer closes it.

So you think it's okay for them to do nothing, potentially forever? Just don't even try, because the killer (according to the way y'all word it) can't be ran for the last gen even with all these strong loops in the game? That's defeatist, and y'all are acting like it's the only thing they can do when it's not. They've played the whole match out putting themselves at risk by working on gens, and yet we don't consider that "killing themselves."

The thing is, this happens less the less generators remain. The situation the OP stated was 2 survivors and 3 gens. The chances of completing 3 gens by yourself while your only other team mate is getting slugged are close to none, and nothing guarantees you that the killer isn't keeping an eye on the slugged survivor.

When there's only one gen remaining, people hide less. There's a higher chance one will go down and the other will survive, especially because there's a slight chance the downed survivor has perks like Adrenaline or they may rethink giving up and using Unbreakable if the other player gets caught.

People play more safe when there's more gens because it's unreasonable for 2 players, one of them downed, to do 3 or more gens by themselves. The best course of action is letting the other die and go for hatch to at least get a redo.

What the OP was asking for was the equivalent of a single player holding 99% of the spaces in a game of Monopoly and, instead of quitting the game early proclaiming that player as the winner, screaming at the other player to painfully roll the dice every time and slowly losing whatever remaining money they have on themselves.

As I said before, it's not the pleasure of winning, it's the pleasure of seeing someone else lose.

Good survivors won't be left with this circumstances, and even if they are, they still have a good chance to get at least 1 out if they don't just give up. Remember the strong loops in this game, and what good survivors can do with them. They can run the killer for at least 1 gen.

Where does that happen for the killer? Not only does this exist for the killer, it is the entire basis of the game. Every time the survivors complete a gen the map shrinks. I've seen killers get stomped for 75% of the game and then turn it around at the end. Not to mention you still have the opportunity to get kills post gens. Really until the doors are open even against a 4 man you have a chance to get at least 1 survivor down and on the hook and camp them while you wait out EGC.

It stuns me that killers don't realize this. As the survivors play better, the game becomes more and more difficult for surviovrs. If the killer plays well, it gets considerably easier. Killers don't need anything else because they already have it, they are always 'in the game' until the survivors are in the exit gates. On the other hand, for survivors to have something to play for they need an additional element, the hatch. Your solution goes in the wrong direction, far from making it easier for the killer at 2 survivors, more should be done to give them a chance to keep the game going.

Let's turn your logic around that around:

Why should I be punished as survivor just because the killer managed to find a weak survivor on the team and tunnel them out. Or what about the situation where the survivors suddenly have to play without a teammate due to disconnects. I don't know the other survivors, they were just thrown into a game with me. I may well have played the best game of my life but am going to lose because my team was garbage.

It's not always fair, but you're going to play hundreds of games, it averages out. Lots of people just don't see when the odds fall in their favor, then they call it skill.

If I was running a hundred meter dash and realized I was somehow 50 meters ahead of my opponents, yeah, I'd slow down. I've won, this talk of Bronze is silly. Especially if I was just in a casual race and not some professional competition, though even in professional competitions it's pretty normal to put in backups/slow down when you have a giant lead. Playing to win is great, once you've won just grinding your opponent down is ridiculous.

Why do you insist on DCs being in typical matches which we balance around? No other game factors DCs into balancing.

I'd love for door distances to be standardized, because there's gate spawns like you describe, but there's just as many where they're the furthest apart possible to where even Blight would struggle to patrol. I think you know full well why second chance perks, which are undesirable in their design as it is, are deactivated in endgame. They're free escapes within very common scenarios that happen in that stage of the game. Even if killers were able to wait out base BT off hook without the survivor being blocked or already running out because of the speed, Off The Record and DS add yet another layer of protection that the killer can't reasonably wait out. "Killer's fault for the match getting to endgame." Then, when survivors lose it's always their fault? No? Then let's move on.

I don't think getting 1 survivor out at that point is unreasonable. It's either that or nobody getting out. Take your pick. It's not as if we're talking about match results in general. We're talking about specifically 2 survivors being left and there still being a gen(s) to be done.

Yes the killer is outplaying you, because it's a requirement to actually get you. And they're supposed to be able to outplay you, because it's a 1v4 game, not 1v1. You can't expect to run the killer all by yourself forever, or escape solely because you ran him well. Unfortunately this is a team game, so if you're the only one on your team doing anything significant, you still lose. The game's bad design and bad matchmaking are 2 different things. I keep saying that we should focus on fixing matchmaking, not the "OP killers", because we're not even getting an accurate picture of the game's balance. Of course good killers get 4ks against 2 good/2 bad survivor teams. But in the matches I've seen where there were 4 good survivors and a good killer, the survivors win almost every time, SWF or not. That may be THE most important thing I base my opinions off of.

This is non issue, you decided to waste their time by slugging them for the 4k when you had no idea where the other survivor was so they matched your energy and hid until you gave up and hooked them. Like you won already, don't prolong the match for 10 minutes just so one person won't get hatch just to feed your ego.

I mean all forms of sportsmanship are personal discretion; that's why it's good behavior and not a rule.

And really, how is it not grinding your opponent down? How is lengthening the game via slugging to maximize the chances of a 4k different than a basketball team that is up 30 keeping their starters in to rack up even more points. If you think such situations are cool, just say so, some people do, but don't pretend it's something different than it is. To me slugging in this situation just comes off as inappropriate behavior. The Killer has won. To use the basketball analogy it doesn't matter whether you win by 50, 30, or 20: you clearly won the game, it's realistically impossible to change that: that's the same situation as slugging at 3 gens left.

You are aware it is already killer favored, because most of the time the killer can find the hatch way faster? I never slug for a 4k, i just hook the 3rd and while i dont keep stats about that, i would think the last survivor escapes less than 20% for sure, probably closer to 10%.

(to be fair, my mainkiller is dredge, and he just needs 3 teleports to check about 60% of most maps for hatch. But with other killers, the experience is not much different.)

That's not what I was implying. You kill the 3rd survivor and then find and close the hatch. If they get it before you, big deal. Again, despite what people might believe it is way easier for Killer to find hatch. So you don't GIVE it to them, they get lucky or you TAKE it from them. I never spoke about handouts. The hatch is not a handout unless you straight up do that yourself and don't search for it. The hatch is very RNG based but you've still gotta earn it over the killer.

The survivor was rewarded. With wasting the killer's time. It's their teammates' choice if they actually want to put that time to use. And y'all always talk about a killer committing to a survivor too long, and that's why it's their fault that they lost, but then you say that they're a baby killer for not being able to get the survivors, that they left, in a reasonable amount of time. The survivors' reward is not an escape; it's the killer's wasted time that gives them a higher chance of getting more people out. The more, the better. But it doesn't mean that they specifically are gonna get out. It just depends on how the match plays out.

Y'all really present an argument in like 10% of your post, and then the rest is attacking the OP's character.

Why don't they give killer instinct in scenarios like those

When the gen time was 80 second it was still almost impossible for 2 survivors to win with 3 gens remaining.