How is insidious/ camping Bubba still in the game?

I always assumed it’s because he’s a licensed character and they’re afraid of nerfing his camping ability would affect sales. One could say survivors quitting due to getting camped could too, but I feel it’s less likely since Bubba isn’t all that common (at least in my MmR).

Then you have the whole psychological aspect of being addicted to escaping and beating a killer and getting screwed by Bubba, you queue up right after only to get those sweet endorphins after (hopefully) you win the next match.

It's still in the game because no individual component of it can be easily delt with.

If you want to completely change Insidious to no longer work in a way that can be used for camping, okay. Make suggestions and hope they reach the devs. Keep in mind "delete the perk" is generally not an option. They will completely rework or retool a perk, but outright deletion is generally not on the table. Also, they GENERALLY want to keep the "spirit" or "general function" of the perk intact. So a perk that gives Undetectable should still give Undetectable, unless you can suggest something else to give a similar benefit without explicitly using Undetectable.

If you want to change Bubba in a way to no longer work with camping, make suggestions to the devs. Making his power not work around hooks hasn't happened yet, and there is probably a reason for that. Deleting him isn't an option. Nerfing him into the ground probably won't be met kindly, as most people don't want to see killers nerfed into oblivion.

The devs also GENERALLY like ALL perks to be open to being used with each other. Generally speaking, they avoid making perks simply not work with other perks, or on specific killers. While the function of perks may counter each other, they generally don't disallow you to take that perk. Same goes for perks on killers. You can generally take any perk on any killer, though it may or may not be beneficial. The choice, however, is there. So any changes would have to include the ability for Bubba to take Insidious without a hard ban on him doing so.

Agreed. I have no idea why Bubba is allowed to face camp or Insidious camp for all these years without any type of change at all.

My idea for all killers is that they can no longer become Undetectable when within 24 meters of a hooked survivor. (This only can be countered If Using Killers for An Example Like Ghostface or Tier One Myers). But it always will prevent things like Insidious or Tinkerer from making you Undetectable when near a hooked survivor.

For Bubba, disable his chainsaw and drain his charges when within a certain range around a hooked survivor. This in my opinion will make Bubbas and Killers in general camp a lot less.

I mean we all hate Garden of Joy, but be serious; 95% of camping Bubbas are camping Bubbas as a lifestyle.

I've experienced a ton of frustration as killer, but I've never felt like a camping trip with Bubba was the best way to cope with it.

And really, if anyone gets to the point where they take their angst at one team out on the next, they should just take a break.

Chasing Bubbas are fun, and I am almost always delighted when I see a Bubba playing that way. But they aren't who I am talking about.

The other night I played a game (which could have one of hundreds of such games I've been part of) where the Bubba hooked, camped, hit on hook, shook back and forth, nodded, rinsed and repeated. It was on the Disturbed Ward map, and as I worked on the upstairs gen, I saw the Bubba do this (Kindred) while the hooked surv (basement, of course) held on (I escaped, so bless them for that), and I had seen him insidious camping earlier when I knew I had to abandon any save attempts.

And that game was one of the very, very, very rare times I furiously teabagged at the exit gate. In 3+ years, I may have teabagged maybe 10 total times, and I would say 8 or 9 of those have been at camping Bubbas.

People who play like that almost exclusively play like that, at least in my experience. It just requires a certain mindset to derive any fun from it, because it's a joyless, boring, low skill way to play killer. I actually tried a time or two, and just couldn't follow through for long. It's just miserable. People who play that way probably are risk averse, unempathetic, and would shy away from more "typical" killer play.

I always try to understand how someone is having fun even if what they are doing seems really unfun, but insidious camping Bubba I just can't be understanding about (I admit I am a bit stuck in my own perspective here). It's just the worst, and the game would be better off if it were removed or severely curbed.

How is it still in the game? Simple: it's really difficult to find an effective way of disincentivizing it without also destroying the killer's balance. If you make Bubba unable to use his chainsaw within a certain radius of hook, then people will just dive him every time he goes for a hook and he can't really punish them for it. It basically takes a scenario that should be a disadvantage and makes it now advantageous. Personally I think Bubba himself is 100% fine, facecamping just needs a base-kit change.

IMO a perfectly fair punishment for camping would be to slow entity progression by 50% if the killer stands within 18m of the hook for more than 20 seconds and is not in chase. The second they leave that radius (thus giving the survivors a chance to save) or enter a chase the negative effect goes away and progress resumes as normal. This guarantees that a killer can't camp someone to death before all gens get done, even with Deadlock.

I doubt insidious bubba is as prevalent as you guys say, I play bubba all the time and insidious would be hella boring for the Killer.

I hope bHVR could share some stats on that.

It’s not fun and they’re a dying breed because the community made it boring, by doing gens and players on hooks being a martyr. That sounds like some clown who hasn’t played in at least a year coming back to DBD with his 2019 Boooba build. When you see the few roaming around, just keep doing gens, martyr for the cause if you’re the one hooked, and those who can- G T F O when the gates are powered.

Insidious should have been removed or reworked before it was even added to the game. It serves no purpose other than encouraging camping.

For Bubba I'd suggest that he loses all chainsaw charges after hooking a survivor. In addition change the way his chainsaw recharge works by making it recharge based on movement so that he has to move around a lot to ever gain charges but that this CANNOT ever occur while within 15 meters of a hooked survivor.

Sitting in one place isn't fun for me.

Hey MardiGras, I also hope your day is going well

Why tf would that effect his sales? No one buys leather face to camp and most new players won't even care since they arent even good at the game yet nor know anything