I can't believe that killers have to waste a perk slot for breaking boon totems

It's a bummer, especially since in most of my matches I get about three boons at once (shadow step can be such a pain sometimes).

On the plus side, I often play just for fun and I've put that perk in my build. So far it has taken the now almost-perk-less survivors by surprise.

Mix that with Franklin and laugh.

We’d need to buff the other 3 boons to compensate for 1 use totems. Otherwise exponential and dark theory would be a waste of time

CoH definitely is. The rest, definitely not.

You'd have to bring the others up to that level, where they could be worth using on their own and not just "well I've got CoH I may as well use another boon as well."

Shadowstep already offers complete stealth, I suppose it could hide pools of blood and grunts of pain too?

Exponential could offer increased movement and recovery speed while dying.

Dark Theory could potentially gain an additional 2% movement speed but anything more could be too OP.

Maybe it could come with say 4 charges. Each health state recovered across all survors uses a token, then you need to rebless another totem to reset them.

While not necessarily a bad idea, it wouldn't address the core issue of CoH as an outlier to other boons, nor would it provide enough impact to offset the power of perkless healing for all team members. It needs to have some type of distance/proximity related restriction, like requiring being in the TR (or even requiring an unfinished gen very close by.) Barring that, it needs to have information about its usage, like revealing your aura while healing. Certainly both would be a terrible idea, but they're examples of the kind of thinking that would need to go into keeping CoH in line with the others like shadowstep or dark theory. Primarily it needs to have some requirement of being placed in a pressure-oriented location to get value, or it needs to have a downside that is beneficial to the killer if allowed to remain in far corners of the map.

The reason those boons are considered niche is because they require risk to get value from them, which is supposed to be an entire point of the boon mechanic. They are still much less risky than Hexes, which keep getting nerfed and are similarly pretty much useless (and even require a suplimentary perk to have decent odds of surviving long enough to have any impact.) The entire boon mechanic is very poorly implimented as it is, but supercharging bad boons to meet up with the ones that break game design and nullify playstyles is not a very healthy direction to take them, especially considering how much more important time management and map pressure are for the killer than survivors.

Your boon being permanently snuffed isnt even that much of a risk when you have up to 4 more you can relight it on. Map pressure revolves around remaining objectives, and "pressure dead zones" naturally form with every gen completed. All it takes is boons being placed in said areas and the killer needs to directly give up any time involved finding the boon, walking to the boon, snuffing it, then walking back to their pressure they had to give up in order to take that action. The only way that can possibly be balanced is by having the boons require proximity to reduce the amount of time wasted in each of those steps.

Not with exponential. That perk has one use and it's to prevent end game slugging, that is the only time I have seen value from it and when it get's value it will carry the game. The issue is you don't have time to go snuff depending on location so you get to this lose lose situation. Expo does not need a buff it's already strong enough when it gets it's ideal situation.

And how long does it take to drop the chase you're in, walk around whatever pathing is required to reach the location of the boon while navigating on a combination of listening for it and knowing totem locations, snuffing it, then running back to whatever you were doing? It would be an awful shame if people could be working on gens or otherwise completely destroying your map pressure during that time.

Time is extremely relevant in this game.

No tradeoffs. They need to be straight-up nerfed.

How? If the killer doesn't want you to keep benefitting from those perks, they have to snuff it. But if they do that's a time waste because it goes back up again somewhere else. Killer doesn't have enough time even with these proposed buffs to snuff 5 boon totems.

This. This is what I've been saying for a while: the current boon system as it is is just not sustainable. CoH is too strong, but if it's nerfed to the level of the other boons, almost no one will use boons anymore.

It was similar with scourge hooks. We never saw them when they were brand new, because Gift of Pain in its original state was too weak (with pre-buff Hemorrhage and only 9% action speed penalty). Then we got Pain Resonance and suddenly they became popular.

The other boons besides CoH should be buffed and then the boon mechanic as a whole needs some adjustments so killers can deal with them more effectively in one way or another.

Cool, multiple people fully healed in the time you did that, which undid your progress in injuring them. You also now have futher to travel to snuff said boon, and are giving up more pressure to do so, including the outcome of the chase you finished instead of breaking off.

This is why CoH stands out as such a problem, its value is extremely high, but it also has full value when the killer is nowhere near it. You generally have to just accept that its going to be a safe area of the map for survivors to undo your progress for free, which just promotes camping and tunneling.

Make a judgement call based on the circumstances of the game my dude. If you break chase then you have injured survivors who need to reset and re-boon and the chased survivor is off the gen they were presumably working on. If not you have chased a survivor off a gen with a potential down. Both good options.

I already said expontential varies depending on its usage, which again, is more than just standing up. The timing and placement can be important, and people can use it to stand up at times specifically where the killer relies on them not being able to, such as picking up another survivor at a pallet or if the downed survivor has a flashlight/flashbang. It has just as much impactful use when close to the killer as it does when away from the killer, which is why its a bit of an outlier in that regard. Besides, unless you crawled all the way across the map you would have had to have gotten downed near it in the first place, which means the killer would have been nearby.

And again, the differences between boons and hexes are specifically the QoL changes people have been asking hexes to receive. They are the safer version but also can be replenished and yet cannot be permanently removed without investing 1/4th of your loadout into it, while the exact opposite is true for hexes. They are different but that is exactly the problem, the rules feel "bent" for boons by comparison.

My point was that "it only takes 2 seconds bro" isn't a valid argument against the fact that it forces a lose/lose scenario where the killer needs to decide which loss will hurt them more. Again, I have no issue with boons that require the killer being nearby to have any impact because the time lost in this lose/lose is then guaranteed to be minimal (barring the fact that boons affect multiple floors, which is a design oversight they refuse to address.) Those still maintain a lose/lose scenario, but the loss has a much lower baseline making it relatively comparible to the time investment that went into booning.

I understand all too well the time investment factor, and was even literally advocating it to someone just above, as well as providing reasoning regarding why CoH is an outlier in that regard. The only boon i think is underpowered entirely is dark theory, but its effect is just bad in the first place and will either be underpowered or absolutely busted due to the range of movement speeds between killers and their varying degrees of anti-loop potential.

It's pretty annoying, ngl at my MMR (low-mid) coming across boons, let alone people knowing how and when to use them is a pretty rare occurrence that I don't find the need to equip Shattered Hope every game. But when I do come across players with boons usually when I'm matched against SWF: Seal Team Six or even High MMR players (how I even got matched there in the first place, I'll never know) is when I find myself wishing I had brought it.

It makes me wish that at least parts of SH could become basekit for Killers, like it doesn't have to destroy the totem, but it can just snuff them back into dull totems and put a timer on them for idk 60s or something so they can't be immediately rebooned or something. I also think there should only be allowed one boon perk per lobby, E.G only one survivor can bring CoH but idk how that would even be possible to police let alone implement.

Funny enough, a similar thing already happened to Hexes. Ruin was the only largely used Hex perk, then it got nerfed and Hex perks became extremely rare, since having a chance to lose your perk at the first 30 seconds of a match makes it not worth when compared to many better perk options. Of course, another reason this happened is that survivors are memorizing more totem locations and looking for them earlier due to Boons.

The difference is that Hex perks at least have a chance of having some value and can fit specific builds. Pentimento and Plaything are also pretty good for working differently from other hex perks. The other Boons beside CoH can be useful, yes, but they are too situational regardless of build.

make it so that all the boons a survivor has placed gets snuffed automatically when they get hooked

one thing that drives me crazy is the fact that i have to kill the survivor to remove their boon. everyone else gets maximum value from circle of healing for as long as i'm locked in chase. a 1/4 chance at minimum, or more with the proper information, to snuff the boon automatically as soon as my chase ends would be great.

and if i'm using shattered hope, the totem breaks instead of snuffing.

Think of the detriment to solo Q though. Granted in a SWF you have others looking for totems to boon, and can call it out when found, but totems aren’t always in the same spots with random map generation, and when I play solo Q I can spend two minutes just trying to find a freaking totem, then all that time blessing the stupid thing just to watch an injured random bring the killer right to it. It seems like everytime a killer gets stomped by a SWF they cry nerfs! When I face a SWF, I expect to lose, but I try and have fun doing it.

shattered hope is a bad choice to use,because there are games where its an useless perk

They need to make it so after snuffing a boon,the survivor has a cooldown until they can boon again.

So many times I snuff a boon,and its instantly back,what is this?

Or just make it so after you snuff out a boon,the second time you do it break the totem

exponential,circle of healing,shadowstep

I agree,survivors should only be able to boon a hex or dull totem once,so you can boon a maximum of 5 times but different totems.

The devs have already answered this. The community kept asking for alternative objectives, so the devs delivered. It's strictly in your benefit if the survs are willing to waste their time rebooning over and over again instead of doing the gens.