Making gen times longer only incentivized killers to camp more frequently
Why do they need to push the survivors off the gen if they don't have to?
Why do they have to leave the hook if they don't have to?
And this creates the next situation:
Why do survivors have to stay in the game when they can d/c and reconnect to a new game in a minute?
This is the state of the game.
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Or rather... killers being incentivized to camp from the amount of 2nd chances survivors now have ONTOP of exhaustion perks.
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Yah basically..
killers think gems are too fast so they camp to get that kill. In a lot of my games SWFs are the reason for camping, You head to a hook to hook someone, and bam all 3 are close to the hook.. so why do I need to leave the hook to kill survivors? They are all right there so there is no need to leave. If it’s 2 others there, that one can’t do gems fast enough. SWF don’t really give the killer a reason to leave the area other then to make a unhook easy lol.
killers hook camping against solos usually means a kill or two every game.
facecamping, slugging are pretty much what this game was designed around sadly. Good thing alot of community does do it and they hook and go away to do gens, chase and slug only when it’s kinda needed
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I would think its better to change the Gen-System. You have to collect parts of it all over the map and carry it to a gen. Then, u can repair him.
For every part necessary u need 15sec less Holding M1 for Progress.
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They could make the gens take 300 seconds each, and killers would still camp.
This is not rocket science, we knew this before they added more time.
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I don't think it did. You already had more than enough time before to knock out 2-3 gens, hook trade, do the rest, then get the person off and all 4 get out. Now survivors just need to be a sliver more efficient with their time. Exceptions include Myers and Leatherface, but that's a them problem, not a gen time problem.
I think y'all are making the case that just nothing negative happens to the killer if they stay at hook and don't pressure gens. It couldn't be further from the truth. You try it.
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Gens aren't fast because they take x amount of time to repair. They're fast because survivors only have one main objective and they focus on that to get out as quickly as possible. An extra 10 seconds doesn't make any tangible difference to the killer, which is why "gens are still too fast."
Games last a long time when killers effectively pressure gens and get survivors off them, doing secondary objectives like picking up slugged survivors, doing totems, dealing with powers like reverse bear traps, etc.
Part of the problem is power creep. More perks that make repairing, healing and unhooking/recovering faster and more efficient, saves time spent doing things that aren't repairing gens.
To effectively stop 'gen rushing' you need to make side objectives more appealing, just as to stop camping you need to make not-camping more appealing. There are perks and powers that do this, but nothing universal, and so there will always be killers who are weak at 'forcing survivors to do side objectives'.
This is why Ruin was a healthy perk before 6.1.
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I was saying it was a problem prior to those changes going live.
Hook stages remaining the same whilst gens being longer was not going to end well.
People are going to camp regardless. It's too easy and you get far too much of a reward for doing so.
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Don't forget all the pallets and safe loops on the map that most killers can't do anything about.
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The amount of second chance perks survivors have have been nerfed significantly also not even working I'm endgame.
We also observed killers still camping and tunneling immediately after the perk changes came out along with stacking slowdown Perks too.
Op is right on the money on this
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I mean... maps also play a big role in how a killer plays. Someone gets eyrie of crows and Mothers dwelling where pressuring gens is next to impossible on most killers not to mention eyrie being ormond 2.0 where basically each tile has a 80% chance to have a pallet until you yourself plays on it as survivor.
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Gens are already really quick and easy to do, it's mainly survivor sided incompetence that makes them seem like forever. The best anti-gen builds still fall short when facing gen jockey teams.
Like any strategy, camping can completely backfire or prove fruitless depending on the situation at hand.
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Now let us assume that the generator is finished in 10 seconds.
You will not be able to sabotage the generator in time, so you camp to secure 1 KILL.
What is the difference?
To make camping less attractive, I think it is more important to give more incentive for not camping than to punish camping.
Also, the issue of DC is different. Selfish players who routinely DC will DC in any situation.
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survivors don't have that many actually 2nd chance perks anymore lol It's actually just like deliverance and unbreak now. DS was nerfed into uselessness.
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You have to go through at least 1 second chance every chase now and ds is still a 2nd chance its just a matter of where you go down.
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what is the 1 second chance perk you deal with every chase? DH isn't a second chance perk btw nether is OTR or basekit BT.
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Old:
- Borrowed Time
- Into more powerful Dead Hard
- Into more powerful DS
Now:
- Basekit Borrowed Time
- Dead Hard doesnt work with Deep wound
- DS is useless
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"neither is OTR or basekit bt".... so if a killer positions you on a hook in a dead zone and you make it to a tile because of OTR or basekit bt is that not a second chance? The killer put you on a hook around an area that your team used the resources on and now your team rushes in for an unhook and doesn't take a hit. Like how by definition is that not a second chance or should I call it an "outplay" when absolutely no skill was put into the action.
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Dh is stronger vs M2 killers but can be weaker vs m1's.
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"so if a killer positions you on a hook in a dead zone and you make it to a tile because of OTR or basekit bt is that not a second chance?" Nope that'll be their first chance in that situation as they'll actually get a chance to play the game unless you consider holding W for 10 seconds while the killer tailgates you waiting out bt "playing" the game lol
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Lets say in a semi perfect world the killer didnt want to tunnel you out but if your team gave the killer an opportune time to like rushing an unhook you had your chance but your team took it from your but then that BT comes in to give you a 2nd. Which in a lot of cases happens in my games where someones a bit too eager for that save so they give me an opportunity to snowball and punish for the teammates mistake. Which I'm trying to win so why wouldn't I? Its not like anything survivors or killers do can be considered fun for both sides nowadays. Maybe back in 2016 where no one knew what they were doing.
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I don't quite understand what you mean by this "the killer didnt want to tunnel you out but if your team gave the killer an opportune time to like rushing an unhook you had your chance but your team took it from your but then that BT comes in to give you a 2nd"
Do you really believe that someone should be punished being the clicky nea farmed you 0.3 seconds after the killer as hooked you? basekit BT is half anti grief measure and half anti tunnel/camping measure. It lets you have at least a chance to a tile. Again unless you really consider getting unhooked and downed immediately with no chance of doing anything or getting anywhere "chance 1" i really struggle to see how bt/otr are 2nd chance effects.
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This game has never been more killer-sided in it's history, with most second-chance perks being useless as a killer can catch up relatively fast despite them.
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The word ‘only’ means one. It did not ‘only’ incentivize killers to camp if they have indeed started camping more. No idea there, haven’t seen numbers but it could be very true for camping more often.
it also incentivized survivors to run prove thyself more often. It’s not uncommon to see two sometimes three three survivors running it.
It also incentivized survivors to work together more, unless facing certain killers, because of perks like prove thyself.
you very well could be correct about increased camping. It would not surprise me a bit. Increasing gen time just does not ‘only’ cause a killer to camp more.
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Thats the whole point of being a team? If one person ######### up at least 1 other will also suffer because of it.
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Still goes Swf, killer, then soloq in terms of power scaling.
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That's because the devs refuse to actually address the bridge fully. But there isnt much difference between SWF and Killers considering the statistics that they released, as killers on average have a positive kill rate.
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I agree on everyone but blight, the interaction has stayed the same. I either have something to bump on behind you to bait it or there is nothing and I can't bait it. If the blight is running alch ring then It doesn't matter any way for the most part.
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You are 100% correct
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Gens are "too fast" now because when they added 10 seconds, most survivors jumped to gen rushing speed builds, so now Killers feel even more compelled to camp or run heavy gen regression perks.
Personally, I'd completely remove gen speed (whether repair speed or regression speed) from being able to be modified by perks. Have it streamlined. Would be so much easier to balance, and gen speeds wouldn't be a guessing game of 100 different possible variables. Kicks would probably need to be removed, and gens would need to slowly regress automatically. This would favor survivors who are able to stay on gens, but favor killers where survivors are not sticking to gen work. Would be a balancing act on both parties. If the survivors get away with a lot of gen progress, the killer is going to have a hard time keeping that gen from completing without guarding it (which takes away from other gen guarding), but if a killer can keep survivors on their toes, gens will begin to regress. Essentially, it would be about gen repair prevention as opposed to gen repair reaction like it is, now.
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I don't know if this'll make killers camp more. I think killers will camp because some killers choose to camp.
I will camp if survivors try to dive bomb the hook. I will also camp if survivors have been flying through gens and I need to secure a kill. Gen time being increased won't make me camp just because.
That's just me though 🤷♂️
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Camping only works if survivors allow. I lost hundreds of matches because the 3 simply stayed by the hook being camped instead of finishing the gens with me and escaping
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Complaining about DS now is so last year, just don't tunnel TADA
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Im not complaining about it, just stating a fact?
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