The way eruption is carrying killers in solo q is actually insane

You are joking, right?

I find that perk to be a mild annoyance at best.

No, you are absolutely correct and I see the error of my ways.

When I, the person making the post, jump in and proudly claim how I don't think something is overpowered because I can't get value from it, it doesn't add to the discussion other than to show my own lack of skills but its rude to say that so directly. Luckily, I have the ability to self-reflect, read others experiences and use the combined knowledge to make better arguments.

I appreciate you and your kind words.

I am sorry if i sounded rude.

It's just that it is not the first time that someone tells me "Eruption is balanced" because they expect survivors to last 3-4 minutes in every chase against every killer so that this perk can never activate.

It does depend on how weak said link is, tho.

Of course, not saying the opposite, far from it, but I've been in games where the weakest link was still able to loop me long enough.

Eruption's useless on a completed gen, or if no one goes down.

You have no reason to apologize, but I do suggest your re-read my first post with the added context of the rest of my responses. You were nothing but respectful while I let my ignorance shine through.

What part of my "chapter of war and peace" sounded like I was defending it? Eruption is a useless waste of time that provides survivors more advantage than killers, and only gives killers an edge if they manage to pull off the setup and activation before the targeted gens are completed, and only if someone is actually on the gen at the time to get hit with incapacitated. That's a lot of requirements with too many variables imo.

In my experience, when I tried it out, 7 out of 10 times Eruption triggers, either no survivor is on the gen to get afflicted with Incapacitated, or 1 person gets afflicted but they have a 2 other teammates that can take over for them and stop it from damaging the gen any further. When it comes to Empathy, I was using it as an example of a perk that shows you when a teammate is injured and being chased, which gives you the advantage in predicting when they might go down, it's not perfect, but it's better than not having any information while going up against an Eruption user.

Unless the killer is super speedy in chases or can 1 shot down people consistently, every gen they kick for the sake of Eruption is just giving the survivors more time to gain distance from them, and do other gens. To me, the investment of Eruption is too costly when perks like SH: Pain Resonance, DMS, and Jolt can do similar damage more frequently, and doesn't distract killers from chases.

If I'm defending it in any way, I'm simply saying that I think survivors are overreacting to how useful a time wasting perk like Eruption really is to killers. There's no reason to demand nerfs or get all butt hurt over a perk that gives survivors distance and longer chases just because it "occasionally" works in the killers favor. I don't use it or any other Manual Slowdown perks because of this, and I guarantee you, if every killer realized that Automatic Slowdown is better, these forums would be frothing at the bit, Begging the devs to nerf all of them.

Also, I exclusively play solo queue when playing survivor, as I hardly ever have any friends online at the time I play, and yes, I have been hit with Eruption, but not so crazy often that I feel like it deserves the Hex: Ruin treatment.

I swear, these people never play killer... smh

So focusing the objective the Game wants you to do is playing "mean" ?

What kind of standard is that? Is scoring a goal in a football game "mean" bcs the other team doesnt have fun when you score?

The game is freakin ridiculously surv sided. Maps favour survs, RNG favours survs, objective favours survs, time favours survs. You basically only win as killer if Survs are doing consecutive MAJOR fuckups. Not losing one mindgame or vaulting to slow. MULTIPLE MAJOR fuckups!

Mostly its altruism that kill survs. if everybody would focus on their objective (gens) then most survs would easily escape, bcs the game is simply designed for survs to escape.

New killer is the prime example for that. There is basically no information survs dont get for absolutely no tradeoff. They see which knight is spawned, his pathing, vision range, they even need LoS to even procc, they can easily outrun the knights without using their brain... And best of all, you spawn a speed & endurance buff for survs to use.

Its just insane how ppl still say this game is not surv sided when even the newest killer spawns buffs for them xD

so youre basically saying "the perk is strong against soloQ and needs a nerf so its even more useless against SWF. So if you play against SWF you just have to accept that you lose. Meanwhile, I cannot accept to have a harder game bcs of one Perk that is outplayable, while SWF is not."

Talking about hypocrisy...

dont forget that survs can just not do the gen that will probably make them unable to do stuff for 25 sec...

The perk defo needs changes. It's way too oppressive for solo q. Especially when you are running the perk with Overcharge etc...It becomes ridiculous.

if you get 3genned its basically your fault.

Why is the killer not allowed to capitalize on your mistakes? If a killer does a pickup in a bad position you capitalize on it by blinding him and denying him his objective. Same goes with 3gen and erruption.

your argument basically says: we are playing the "team side" of an asymmetrical game. But we are not playing as a team and therefore the game must be patched that way, that even without teamwork we are able to win. Sounds pretty dumb right?

Bcs this is an asymmetrical game and you cannot compare one side to the other the same way. bcs they dont play the same. they dont even have the same objectives...

Everytime to talk about balance of killers (perks/addons/abilities) you HAVE TO take SWF into account. EVERY FKN TIME!

If Erruption would be uncounterable, it would mean an automatic win, everytime you play it. Which is not the case!

Old Dead Hard was uncounterable. Bcs it always gave the surv a benefit no matter how the situation played out...

You never played as a killer against 4 competetent solo survs right? You point out SoloQ as if it is unplayable and unwinnable in every scenario. If all 4 Players know how the game works and know what to do, they are equally as dangerous and effective as SWF...

Just bcs most of the casual SoloQ Survivors are bad at the game and give up on first down or any other minor inconvenience that keeps them away from holding m1 for 90 sec. You dont have to balance the game around them.

Bcs this makes the game literally unfun and unplayable for anyone that got basic understanding of it...

1. dont get 3 genned
2. check how long it approx. takes for your teammates to get down. if someone gets down in quick succession after the 1st hit hes probably a bad looper
3. if a killer is chasing another survivor you can see if he gets injured, if youre sitting on a gen he kicked, go search for another or wait until the other surv is downed.
4. if you get incapitated by errutpion, go search for other gens, check where exit gates are, search hexes, make way to the hook, check which tiles are still up on pallets, check where basement is, get freakin information! If you decide to stand at the gen for 20 sec and look at it, crying about how unfair erruption is, thats your choice...
5. maybe get the killer to chase you next? so others can do gens, bcs you are actually a good survivor and youre not going down so fast right? bcs you had time, to check for active tiles, you are able to loop the killer so good, that your teammates can finish the errupted gens :)

Surv Mains crying for every effective killer perk to get nerfed bcs they still cannot win with all the handholding the devs give them.

Do you even want to play the game? Or do you wanna `watch the "I Win every match" Simulator?

While that is true, the incapacitated status effect is unfun to go against, and so many killers are using it because it is so good. I am all for their being strong stuff, but when things start being seen constantly, I think it's too much. I rather have the meta being consistently shaken up then to let it decay like it did with dead hard.

That's dangerously broad, what you're saying. I think it's very obvious that people defend stuff that they use. But if we invalidate their argument just because of that, then what? No balance discussion at all? "Wins they maybe didn't deserve" is pushing it. If anything, that describes the survivors. I don't know if you've seen teams who are efficient on gens, but they can pretty much get owned in chase non-stop yet 3 get out.

And I would absolutely say that there are many survivors who have escaped even though they probably didn't deserve to just because they queued up in a group. I'd rather those extreme advantages be lessened for both sides. I don't want to have to face a strong SWF using the Crow map just as much as I don't want to face Eruption. Both give undeserved advantages and wins.

Obviously there are some things the devs can do to weaken SWF without weakening the already super weak solo queue, like making items and perks not stackable, or even restricting the number of perks a 4-man can use. I hope they do.

The thing is, I don't see any pushback when people say SWF is too strong. It is fact. It should be fixed. But in these eruption threads, and in nurse threads there is a fair amount of pushback which doesn't make much sense. Both sides have broken things. The sooner people accept that and try to alert the devs the better for game health.