Waited This Long For A DS Buff

@Caretaker said:

@Weederick said:

@Caretaker said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Caretaker said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@White_Owl said:
Buff? Can you guys read?

He cant.

He seems like a person who only thinks that removing that Perk or making it completely useless is the only thing to do. And he is not understanding that both is not really an option.

The change is fine, a good redesign.

Ah yes, putting words in my mouth cuz you're too stupid to understand how this is a huge buff, and extremely unhealthy. We had easy fixes to the perk that they ignored to just buff it instead.

You know what, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A BUFF, please I would love to know, is it because you tunnel?

Once again, I don't tunnel. I know it's hard for you to understand that, but I don't tunnel since that's all you're spamming cuz you're desperate to prove I'm just a toxic killer. Also, tunneling doesn't exist. Stop being a #########. My job is to kill survivors, not be their imaginary friend.

Gen tapping? Totally fine. Dribbling? Removed. Slug them 4head! They start running Unbreakabill, and slugging got nerfed so they just got to 95% and get picked up before 60s passes while other survivors do gens/waste the killers time. Down someone that got hooked end-game? Hope you like eating DS and losing champ. :^) Also, the super easy to hit skillcheck is now even easier to hit. 4 people can now reliably run DS without any penalty or worry.

How is this not a buff?

If you dont tunnel, then DS is dead. It wont affect you and will make survivors play with 3 perks.

If you do tunnel and play the most optimal way to win, then this perk is good against this strategy.

This is 100% a nerf to DS, as long as you dont tunnel the survivors. If you do, sucks for you haha

Easier to hit, 60s safety window, still stuns, makes unbreakable better, makes deliverance better. No more downside to quad ds. Huge nerf. You got me.

If you dont tunnel, you wont get DS'ed. If you dont camp, you wont get BT'ed.
Perks that help against the easiest, yet strongest way to play. Brings tunneling and camping more in line with other playstyles.

@Caretaker said:

@Weederick said:

@Caretaker said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Caretaker said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@White_Owl said:
Buff? Can you guys read?

He cant.

He seems like a person who only thinks that removing that Perk or making it completely useless is the only thing to do. And he is not understanding that both is not really an option.

The change is fine, a good redesign.

Ah yes, putting words in my mouth cuz you're too stupid to understand how this is a huge buff, and extremely unhealthy. We had easy fixes to the perk that they ignored to just buff it instead.

You know what, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A BUFF, please I would love to know, is it because you tunnel?

Once again, I don't tunnel. I know it's hard for you to understand that, but I don't tunnel since that's all you're spamming cuz you're desperate to prove I'm just a toxic killer. Also, tunneling doesn't exist. Stop being a #########. My job is to kill survivors, not be their imaginary friend.

Gen tapping? Totally fine. Dribbling? Removed. Slug them 4head! They start running Unbreakabill, and slugging got nerfed so they just got to 95% and get picked up before 60s passes while other survivors do gens/waste the killers time. Down someone that got hooked end-game? Hope you like eating DS and losing champ. :^) Also, the super easy to hit skillcheck is now even easier to hit. 4 people can now reliably run DS without any penalty or worry.

How is this not a buff?

If you dont tunnel, then DS is dead. It wont affect you and will make survivors play with 3 perks.

If you do tunnel and play the most optimal way to win, then this perk is good against this strategy.

This is 100% a nerf to DS, as long as you dont tunnel the survivors. If you do, sucks for you haha

Easier to hit, 60s safety window, still stuns, makes unbreakable better, makes deliverance better. No more downside to quad ds. Huge nerf. You got me.

Who would make a build to assist one perk, nobody will because that is wasting all 4 perk slots

This revision is really good! Rather this than the original DS

HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:
Caretaker said:

@Carpemortum said:

Lol this bait actually worked??

Who said this was bait? Sorry you have trouble understanding why this new DS is insane.

Oh so you're just illiterate or dont understand? It changed nothing except adding a requirement. Making it useable less often. Now that I've explained all you actually need I'm out. This bait is sad, but in case you were serious....lol..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This dude has their concerns for the changes. Not everyone is going to agree with one another, regardless if you like it or not, this guy brings some valid points. I say we just wait till it comes in game before we judge. Just like how everyone judged the freak out of Freddy after his release, followed by being nerfed to the ground.

There arent real valid concerns other than obsession changing. And being unable to use it if you get caught in the first 30 seconds. 

If anything it makes it worse, not more powerful. Which is why I called this bait. 

If he was mad that it was a useless perk, I'd understand it's an opinion. 

But as a killer it makes it easier for you in basically every way possible. The slugging concern was a thing before this change. It's not new. And they ONLY have a 60s window to use it. Not all game. 

HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:
HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:

Caretaker said:

@Carpemortum said:

Lol this bait actually worked??



Who said this was bait? Sorry you have trouble understanding why this new DS is insane.

Oh so you're just illiterate or dont understand? It changed nothing except adding a requirement. Making it useable less often. Now that I've explained all you actually need I'm out. This bait is sad, but in case you were serious....lol..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This dude has their concerns for the changes. Not everyone is going to agree with one another, regardless if you like it or not, this guy brings some valid points. I say we just wait till it comes in game before we judge. Just like how everyone judged the freak out of Freddy after his release, followed by being nerfed to the ground.

There arent real valid concerns other than obsession changing. And being unable to use it if you get caught in the first 30 seconds. 

If anything it makes it worse, not more powerful. Which is why I called this bait. 

If he was mad that it was a useless perk, I'd understand it's an opinion. 

Again, it's his concerns. Whether you like it or not, brings valid points. You don't see that as a concern and that's fine. I see where he is coming from and everyone else. PTB will be here shortly and we shall see how it is.

How can giving it a smaller window, make it worse for a killer? PLEASE help me understand.

@HeHeBoii said:

@I_am_Negan said:

@HeHeBoii said:

@I_am_Negan said:

@Caretaker said:

Everyone is going to run DS now.

Not me

Go fight the Whisperers!

And your point is

I can see you lack a sense of humor. Your name is 'Negan" and I can see you lack the reference, while everyone is talking about the DS change, while I bring up something else. Just forget it.

Whatever man yes I know whats going I don't have cable I have Netflix.

Caretaker said:

@HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:
HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:

Caretaker said:

@Carpemortum said:

Lol this bait actually worked??



Who said this was bait? Sorry you have trouble understanding why this new DS is insane.

Oh so you're just illiterate or dont understand? It changed nothing except adding a requirement. Making it useable less often. Now that I've explained all you actually need I'm out. This bait is sad, but in case you were serious....lol..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This dude has their concerns for the changes. Not everyone is going to agree with one another, regardless if you like it or not, this guy brings some valid points. I say we just wait till it comes in game before we judge. Just like how everyone judged the freak out of Freddy after his release, followed by being nerfed to the ground.

There arent real valid concerns other than obsession changing. And being unable to use it if you get caught in the first 30 seconds. 

If anything it makes it worse, not more powerful. Which is why I called this bait. 

If he was mad that it was a useless perk, I'd understand it's an opinion. 

Again, it's his concerns. Whether you like it or not, brings valid points. You don't see that as a concern and that's fine. I see where he is coming from and everyone else. PTB will be here shortly and we shall see how it is.

I'm glad someone can read and understand why this will become an issue. Like people saying healing changes killed SC, but I still see it every game. Anyway, I'm gonna go play DBD before I have to deal with quad DS every game. You all have fun.

Exactly. Bait. You already have to deal with quad DS. Oh wait...nobody does that anymore. Or will. Bye now!

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TreemanXD said:

Insulting everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t help your case and makes you seem childish. This was a nerf and it is now a counter to tunneling.

How does the change make it a counter to tunneling? A savvy survivor would save DS for being tunneled before this change. 

HeHeBoii said:

@Carpemortum said:
HeHeBoii said:

Imma let yall continue if you wish. I am off this too. At the end of the day its the devs decision, if you don't like it or want to adapt to anything in the game (Killer perks, survivor perks) then don't play. GLHF to you all in the fog.

Nothing when I call out your fake situation? Exactlyyyy. 

Easy there, Keyboard warrior. I ain't arguing with a potentially fat stranger with a neck beard on the internet. Go cry to someone else now.

Arguing? No. Were not. Or I wasnt. You brought up something and I asked how it changed anything. You gave a situation that had nothing to do with it. I called that out. Then you leave with STILL no actual response to how it changed anything for the worse for killers. 

Also, attempting to insult a woman by calling her a "potential neckbeard" because you cant respond with valid points, is sad. I'm not crying hon, I'm laughing. 

TreemanXD said:

How does the change make it a counter to tunneling? A savvy survivor would save DS for being tunneled before this change. 

Most every survivor used it on first down and you get unhooked get grabbed and you stab the killer. You’re now forced to use it in a situation where you are being tunneled.

But It has always been a counter. Just because survivors use it whenever they please doesnt remove its usefulness pre change.  I get that you can only use it for that 60 s now. But what I'm saying is that it doesnt suddenly make it a counter NOW. 

Besides, you can still down them, and chase someone else or deal with it as people do pre change. It limits survivors more than killers.

I play both, more survivors, and this change is really not a big deal IMO. DS is RARELY a perk that carried my game to an escape. 

TreemanXD said:

But It has always been a counter. Just because survivors use it whenever they please doesnt remove its usefulness pre change.  I get that you can only use it for that 60 s now. But what I'm saying is that it doesnt suddenly make it a counter NOW. 

Besides, you can still down them, and chase someone else or deal with it as people do pre change. It limits survivors more than killers.

I play both, more survivors, and this change is really not a big deal IMO. DS is RARELY a perk that carried my game to an escape. 

I agree with a lot of what you said and like you I play both sides survivor more and the DS change doesn’t bother me either i’m just saying that now it forces you to use it against tunneling. The change was meant to limit survivors and make the game less frustrating for killers when it comes to DS.

Fair enough. I cant argue that it forces you to use it in basically only a situation where you're being tunneled. Lol.

@Caretaker said:

@ToxicFengM1n said:

@Caretaker said:

@Aven_Fallen said:

@White_Owl said:
Buff? Can you guys read?

He cant.

He seems like a person who only thinks that removing that Perk or making it completely useless is the only thing to do. And he is not understanding that both is not really an option.

The change is fine, a good redesign.

Ah yes, putting words in my mouth cuz you're too stupid to understand how this is a huge buff, and extremely unhealthy. We had easy fixes to the perk that they ignored to just buff it instead.

You know what, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A BUFF, please I would love to know, is it because you tunnel?

Once again, I don't tunnel. I know it's hard for you to understand that, but I don't tunnel since that's all you're spamming cuz you're desperate to prove I'm just a toxic killer. Also, tunneling doesn't exist. My job is to kill survivors, not be their imaginary friend.

Gen tapping? Totally fine. Dribbling? Removed. Slug them 4head! They start running Unbreakabill, and slugging got nerfed so they just got to 95% and get picked up before 60s passes while other survivors do gens/waste the killers time. Down someone that got hooked end-game? Hope you like eating DS and losing champ. :^) Also, the super easy to hit skillcheck is now even easier to hit. 4 people can now reliably run DS without any penalty or worry.

How is this not a buff?

You could argue that the behavior the concept tunnelling defines doesn't happen in the game (even if that's obviously wrong), but you can't say the concept magically disappears just because you like it. Words don't change meaning when you feel like it, even a loosely defined one like tunnelling.

Don't you also find it really disingenuous to paint up a very specific scenario where you always tunnel a person and then either leave them on the ground with them having a specific perk to counter that, or immediately pick them up and that somehow results in you losing the game? The definition of losing doesn't even exist in the game outside of rank.
Why do you care if a super easy skillcheck is made easier? The definition of super easy is trivial...

OP, trying to follow your reasoning requires some mental gymnastics that is beyond my capabilties.

I like the new DS change, it now only works in a very specific scenario, and from my gameplay it's not often I would have a use for it, making it more in line with everything else, situational with clear drawbacks.

Are we going to see another surge in Make Your Choice usage?

This definitely looks like a nerf to DS massively in Pig's favor, due to her proxy progress delaying, and general synergy with slugging on top of it.

Hey guys, do you remember when Borrowed Time was insanely buffed and was going to become top meta perk because OP in the end game?
spoiler: it didn't
This is the same all over again, you guys jump on conclusions so fast it's baffling.

@Tarvesh said:
Caretaker said:

Ah yes. Don't go for the injured survivor cuz you're all entitled children who think you DESERVE to live. You mess up I'm going to kill you. That's my job. This is a huge buff. 4 people can now reliably run DS. They're now safe for 60s. Slugging got hard nerfed. You can no longer Dribble. God survivor mains are inept.

And let’s not forget that it now hard nerfs basically every single Obsession based killer perk by resetting them every time you get hit with DS.

They aren't reset besides dying light. Any tokens gained with the previous obsession stay when the obsession switches