There needs to be a basekit deterrence for early tunneling

Things that are needed to give solo survivors that are not on comms that capability:

1. a way to find out where teammates are, basekit.
2. a way to find out what survivors are doing, basekit.
3. a way to find out where survivors are going, basekit.
4. a way to find out where the killer is if another survivor spots them or a teammate is being tunneled, basekit.
5. a way to find out whether or not the killer is camping or not, basekit.

In the case of SWF on comms, you're 100% correct. Yet, most players arent 4 man swf, and among them, a huge portion also isnt on comms.

As for punishing the killer, its not really, its adding a risk in the early game. There is little to no risk for the killer to tunnel at 4-5 gens remaining, especially if the killer has mobility, yet the reward is cutting down survivor generator potential from 1 popping every 90 seconds, to 1 popping every 180 seconds if the killer doesnt go for hardcore generator regression after a kill. Thats doubling the game length required for survivors for 1 early kill, while survivors have to deal with less resources to face the same issues.

That should be a scenario creatable with risk. Its not punishing the killers, killers have more than plenty of options to create a similar situation without tunneling, its just reducing their options by 1 for the duration of the first 2 or 3 generators. Meaning if 2 or 3 gens popped, you can still tunnel someone out, or you can still tunnel someone out by tanking a 3 second stun prior to that. It is just a means of deterrence and adding a risk.

The other option is buffing survivors once 1 survivor dies early on due to tunneling.

The issue with the shared responsibility argument is that its not really. There isnt any communications, so there is a lot survivors cannot do being blind in the game without it being basically a guess. In SWF, shared responsibility is by far the biggest argument you can make for preventing a tunnel. In soloq, not really the case. In DBD, you'd be surprised how many people are unwilling to tank a hookstate, even though they havent been hooked at all, just to grant some more time for someone who has been tunneled. You need basekit comms for the shared responsibility argument to make full sense.

Hence, the gap between solo-swf being a lot more important. Personally, I dont really see a huge issue with giving aura reading on teammates as a basekit, the other option would be giving something similar to killer instinct and HUD info, which is basically equal info. The only issue I see with it right now, is that it makes a LOT of perks obsolete or a lot less functional(Better Together/Situational Awareness, Empathy, Empathic Connection, Aftercare, Bond, Kindred(kinda), No One Left Behind(kinda), the 2 key addons). All of these are perks that arent used by SWF, because they basically have the same info already. Giving them aura readings, you can see where they are, what they are doing, and guess whether or not they are being chased. The main benefit I can see for SWF is that they can optimize the time needed in meeting up, but overall, that can be mitigated by giving killers Fire-Up as basekit.(also, Blindness magically becomes a lot stronger as survivors start to rely on that aura reading more than gamesense in the long run)

AKA, you can close the gap between SWF and SoloQ relatively easily without really affecting the killerrates. And its a lot easier to buff killers when the gap between soloq and SWF is much smaller.

Besides, there is 1 easy argument to make why its basically impossible to buff killers right now(other than Fire-Up basekit): Nurse exists.

I didnt specify any killers tho, I just said killers. Killers in general still need a buff. But they cant, cus Nurse. Same for second chance perks, cant nerf them, cus Nurse.

And there is a difference between tanking healthstates and hookstates, and tanking those hits actually being a detriment to the game. I had a game today, where a player was being tunneled, if I didnt tank the health and hookstate but instead sat on a gen, we could have pulled off a 3 man escape. Not because I tanked 2 hits and a hookstate, but because the killer could easily continue chase on that survivor while having me hooked and unable to progress gens, causing another teammate to go off, slowing down the game even further. AKA, me not tanking things would have been more beneficial.

And while there are no ingame mechanical differences, there are a lot of meta differences. And those are important. Buckle Up and Bond(with unlimited range, which makes other similar perks like Aftercare, No One Left Behind, Situational Awareness, Empathic Connection, Empathy, Inner Focus, Kindred, Rookie Spirit and Spine Chill practically worthless) are basically basekit to them. Let alone that with the amount of information shared, any perks that can be replaced with a ping to killer location have a lot less worth too.

And you might say "just pings" are fine, but really, I've played with really good survivors who had Bond+Open Handed while I had too(just bond tho) and survivors on comms, and the people on comms were still more accurate in recieving and giving information, than literal aura reading between survivors.

Thats not even talking about perk info like Kinship being known instantly by SWF, and by soloQ its not even known, and even if it is shown(I havent seen it in ages), people already ran towards you, leaving scratchmarks and thus cannot approach the area triggering it without giving themselves away. Or perks like Dying Light being known instantly by SWF, but still takes a hook before its shown to solo. Or actually showing who is running Leader, so you dont run towards Mikaela who left equally fast as that Jeff and was at equal distance, only to notice she doesnt have it and now the heal is slightly slower(which is maybe minor, but its the minor things stacking up why SWF is the powerhouse they are right now). You cant nerf SWF without making Solo even worse, and you cannot punish people for wanting to play with their friends. So yeah, the UI images are absolutely neccesary. Me seeing someone in an animation on the opposite side of the map while hooked and not going there because I thought they were doing a gen, but they were cleansing a dull totem instead and then started going on a gen, on comms, I would have heard them give that info and join them so the generator would finish. Without comms, that survivor sinks a lot of time in that generator that will get lost.

As for the bond aura reading, I am merely talking from experience running Bond and 1 person having Open Handed with good survivors on small maps, while comparing that to times I've been with tournament squads on comms, and the fact that soloq basically needs to use 5 perkslots across the team to give them basically the same info as a SWF heavily limits their potential, let alone that that info only really works on smaller maps. And the increase that SWF gets with the same info? Well, they have to talk slightly less and look around a bit more. The biggest reason why I think the devs said that straight up aura reading between survivors would be too much, isnt because it would elevate survivors to insane heights, I barely see SWF's performing better than they do without aura reading, it just the amount of perks needing to be reworked(all of the previous mentioned ones, including some killer perks, like Knockout) to make that change happen.

As for stealth killers, well, they already kinda need a rework in how they work. Even without comms, Myers and Pig heavily suffer against higher mmr solo survs. Ghostface still stands a chance, and thats mostly due to how scuffed his reveal mechanic is nowadays. Besides, Stealth Killers got indirectly nerfed with the map remakes in the same way that Nurse got indirectly buffed: Line of Sight blockers. But a lot of killers inbetween suffer from those same line of sight blockers(like Huntress, Slinger, Blight, Billy, Clown, Plague, Trickster, Demogorgon, Cenobite, Artist, even Twins). And to spawn in extra LoS blockers would give away that you're facing a stealth killer if you dont hear a Nurse blink.

And the reason why its called an unwinnable 3v1, isnt because that 4th survivor didnt exist at the start, its that there is no longer a 4th survivor participating in the match. The whole premise of the survivor side balance of the game relies on 1 survivor being on a gen, 1 being in chase, 1 being on a hook, and 1 unhooking/healing/taking a hit for the person in chase. Once you remove one, you have 1 person on the hook, 1 sitting on gens as long as possible untill they need to leave for the unhook, and 1 in chase. Aka, you reduce gens popping every 90 seconds, to gens popping every 180 seconds if you're good. Survivors only having 60 seconds per hookstates, while gens went up 10 seconds, means there is more time a killer can afford to chase, which is a healthy change, but it also means there is more time a killer can afford to (proxy)camp.

This is not to say that killers are overpowered in any manner, thats not my claim. My claim is that there is too big of a difference between soloq and SWF that can no longer be ignored, and an ACTUAL deterrence to early game tunneling would mitigate that, since SWF's finish 2 gens before the first hook anyway.

I mean, what they personally should have done is not add the 10 seconds basekit, and instead add a 15% penalty when more than 2 gens are being worked on at the same time(same reduction if 2 people work on 1 gen). That would have been healthier.

As for what killers need basekit, well, no, they dont need a deterrent for survivors tunneling gens, as they have multiple basekit mechanics for that already: 1. patrolling gens 2. chasing people off gens. 3. hooking people for pressure. 4. slugging people for pressure. 5. killing someone. 6. keeping people injured. 7. creating deadzones around gens. 8. depends on the killer power, but thats something that indirectly pressures survivors consistently. If you are a Bubba with Tinkerer, I cant spend time looking at my gen because you are most definitely going to start revving when you're close enough to hit me and when its most likely too late for me to react. It its a Trapper, I need to know trap placements or I might be toast.

What killers need is something like Fire-Up. Something that increases the power of killers based on how many gens are done other than just 3-genning. People really underestimate the power that Fire-Up brings if it were basekit, flashlight saves get harder the more gens are done, pallets are removed even faster the longer it goes on(on top of the 10% basekit already), window vaults are viable with the majority of killers after just 3 gens being done, its worth to kick gens before going into chase more often because its faster, the only thing that Fire-Up would be missing, is movementspeed while carrying a survivor. This makes late game tunneling a lot easier, and gives 0 need to tunnel early on anyway.

Survivors need protection in the early game that they lose as the game continues, killers need an increase in power the further survivors progress. This might make 4 survivors surviving untill 1 gen is remaining more common, but it also means that you can still kill at least 3 survivors if you play your cards right. Giving killers more power early game defeats the purpose of punishing tunneling early game.

"The only killer I've ever found a use for that perk was Michael Myers before the 6.4 patch (the one that killed mobility perks). Bamboozle and Fire up no longer give Michael Myers (as well as Legion/Wesker) faster movement speed through a window."

Yeah, AS A PERK, hence why it so desperately needs to be basekit. Plenty of killers can get value from the stats, but its never worth the slot. As for no longer giving the faster movementspeed, cant find it anywhere. Must be a bug if it affects Myers. At best I'd see Legion and Wesker having that changed, as those are technically not vaults, but ability animations.

"Generally speaking the killer should break every pallet faster than the last pallet as a base mechanic (it could literally be just a base mechanic change where every pallet/wall breaks 0.1 seconds faster than the last pallet. Survivors should take +25% longer to heal every injury (so if you heal 4 times the 5th heal is going to take 200% longer than normal)."

This would affect Solo a lot more than SWF, and it barely touches SWF. Especially if you include breaking walls. Same for healing slower. Generally a bad thing, unless you also want to reduce generator times back to 70 seconds per gen and give them permanent info on each other.

"If the killer has two bad chases at the start of a game then that's usually a loss. Deadlock greatly slows down the game to help mitigate this. The killer needs something to make sure that survivors can't drag out the first chase. There is no way to come back in a game where you lose the only good three gen on the map and 3 generators with your first down unless you have some crazy setup like you are playing trapper and put all of your traps around the basement (but then they just dont go to the basement)."

If the killer has 2 bad chases at the start of the game, thats most likely due to dedicating to something they shouldnt, or not dedicating enough to something they should. And that isnt a thin line either. As for dragging out the first chase, the more dragged out the first chase is, the quicker the next ones are. Same logic applies to losing good 3 gens, you dont really lose good 3 gens and 2 bad chases unless you have 0 priorities. As for not coming back, what are you talking about? Killers have the oppertunity to end the game at any point. 1 gen remaining, 0 gens remaining, gates being opened. All situations where the killer still can get a 4k. Will it be less likely? Sure, but impossible? No. Survivors have it the opposite. If they make 1 tiny mistake too many, and the game is unwinnable unless the killer starts making a lot more mistakes. The killer can make as many mistakes as he wants, if a survivor cannot capitalize on that mistake in that moment(hence, the huge difference in SWF and Solo at the moment), your mistake didnt really matter.

"If you lose 3 gens in the first chase (including the best three gen) then the game is likely over. You tunnel the first person you hook and then face camp the other person to death at the end of the game. That's boring but that's what DBD has become because that is efficient play."

No, its not. The devs have even stated multiple times that the first 3 generators are kinda meant to be popped. If you lose the best 3 gen without starting your first chase there and survivors still finishing 3 gens, thats kinda on you. 80% of the hooks are done between 2 and 1 gens. The first 3 gens give you 1 or 2 hooks, the next 2 gens give you up to 10 hooks and the average amount of gens finished is 3.5. So thats pretty much entirely false. In fact, a lot of killer players seem to think losing 3 gens is bad. But if you pushed the survivor in the area of your future 3 gen, then there is no real way you should lose hope with losing 3 gens after 1 chase, because then you have a deadzone in your 3 gen area, and you lost 3 gens you clearly didnt care about.

"I don't remember when exactly it was changed but survivors used to die much faster on the hook. Considering we have Rebecca's perk that time should probably be reverted. Hook timers used to be 45 seconds per stage and were changed to 60 seconds per stage. Efficient survivors use the extra 15 seconds to finish generators. The intent was to give survivors more time to rescue the survivor (as well as make camping less rewarding)."

It was changed when gens were upped from 70 to 80 seconds, so that a killer couldnt camp 1 survivor, then use a mori, before survivors even had a chance of finishing 3 gens. As for Rebecca's perk needing to revert that change, well, with that reasoning, Ruin, Pop, Pain Res, should reduce generator times to 60 seconds per gen. And yes, the intent to give more time to rescue and making camping less rewarding PERFECTLY fits with the increased time on hooks. The longer a survivor stays on a hook, the longer the game is a 3v1. If you dont camp, survivors have more chances of unhooking, making it basically a 2v1 for a while as 1 is rescuing. If survivors stay on gens and wait that extra 15 seconds, you have more time to dedicate to the chase and still be in a 3v1 scenario. The only time the extra 15 seconds is bad, is if the killer is camping or proxy-camping. And Dead Lock made Rebecca's perk be pretty much a neccesity, as the only time Rebecca's perk is useful, is when someone is camping or when someone is right next to the killer when he hooks(at which point, going back to a gen and work on it is costing you time). The only things you can fairly buff on killer without gutting perks, is action speeds.