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"Sweaty"/"tryhard"/"touch grass"/judging players for playing seriously/etc is stupid and entitled.
People are not obligated to play a certain way for your sake. They also don’t know how strong of a build you may have. Some people enjoy playing more seriously, others enjoy playing more laidback, both are completely valid. Some people enjoy doing meme builds, other people enjoy playing to win with meta, so on. They are all valid.
Criticizing people for playing "sweaty" or "tryharding" or so on is pure entitlement, and utterly, nonsensically stupid. It is being derogatory to someone because they play more seriously. Want to play laidback? That's great, play as laidback as you want. But people aren't obligated to suddenly stop trying just cause you don't feel like playing seriously.
If people are playing to intentionally anger others, that's pretty childish. But them playing seriously or smart or efficiently isn't the same as playing to piss people off on purpose. Play how you want, and they'll play how they want.* Expecting them to play a different way or being condescending about it is immature and entitled.
* Within the game’s rules.
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Imagine if you checkmate someone in 12 turns in chess, and they call you a sweaty tryhard loser.
I feel about the same when I see three injured survivors cluster around the hook and all go down within seconds of each other and they say the killer is sweaty. The truth is, those players made an embarrassingly bad mistake and lost the game for it.
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yea....people complain about "sweaty" because these are situations when you got 2k hour swfs who end a game in 4 minutes or killers who slug everyone at 5 gens to ensure they have no chance to lose.
both are negative experiences for 1 or more people in the game beyond the negative experience of just being outplayed or losing.
People arent upset that people play to win.
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You're entitled to play as seriously as you want and do whatever you feel is necessary to win.
However, if you bring a full meta range/recharge Midwich Nurse and with everyone but one on the ground at 5 gens and you absolutely refuse to hook until you have everybody, i'm liable to point and laugh about how seriously you're taking this silly game.
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Or maybe the nurse wanted to have fun on a good map ?
Players can pick whatever killers / addons / perks they want.
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They can play however they want but that doesn't prevent me from having an opinion of them nor does it mean they have to play in a way I like.
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I am also liable to do the same thing to a 4 game offering BNP killsquad if that makes you feel any better.
I hope you're just as accepting of them wanting to have fun on a good map, by the way.
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Yes I dont’ see any issue with that I do it all the time. I love genrush builds.
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You're kind of saying two different things, one I agree with and one I don't. Judging/criticizing someone for doing something is not quite the same as demanding/expecting them to change that something.
I might judge or criticize you for an action like mass slugging at 5 gens with an early DC but I also support you being able to do that and I don't expect you to change on my behalf. I might ask why or make a backhanded comment about it but I would never say, "You can't do that!" or demand you stop doing it.
They are two very different things in my eyes.
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The problem is the game design. By not knowing what you're up against you cannot prepare accordingly. That's the unfun part, because people are playing with different expectations and intentions. If there was a casual mode and a try-hard mode maybe you wouldn't see those kinds of complaints about "tryhard" or "sweaty" killers/survivors as often.
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I've always been on OP's side of the argument when it comes to being "sweaty" and trying to win in games. But the problem in dbd is that the optimal strat to win for both sides is just boring and very unfun, unlike most games. It's very much a "hate the game not the player" kinda thing but playing this game sweaty actually ruins the match. It's also another issue that by the time you reason that the other side wants to play solely to win, it's too late to actually change the way you're playing to recover.
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Yeah...it's tough.
I try to avoid camping outside of EOGC or tunneling unless there's nobody else to chase, and I still get called sweaty.
'Sweaty' is generally just code for 'I lost and am salty about it'.
The only time it's valid is when someone goes out of their way to bleed people out or deny people BP that costs them nothing.
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Dont hate the player, hate the game
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I agree with your general point, but the obvious thing to point out here is that DBD is not chess. Chess is a game with clear parameters and rules, the pieces all operate the same ways as their counterparts, the board is always identical in each match, skill and knowledge are expressed clearly, and the win condition is the same for all players.
DBD is about as far from this as you can get; there are no clear win conditions, not everyone plays in pursuit of the same goal. Skill is ill defined and poorly expressed, not all killers operate under the same constraints, and the board is different in almost every match, and you almost never know what configuration it will take beforehand.
There is no real balance, no symmetry, no consistency in variables.
All that said, if you're going to play DBD, you have to be prepared to accept all of the possibilities, including that your opponents will be heavily invested in their win condition and might use any allowed tactic to meet it. Some people feel like DBD is a way to express their competitive skill, and though you might find that silly (justifiably), you have to accept it.
Just as someone who wants to play a "serious" or "competitive" match has to accept when their opponent wants to goof off, which might be equally frustrating to them as being a "tryhard" is to their counterpart.
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I had a guy invite me to a party chat and belligerently tell me to slit my wrists lol, am I crying about it? No I'm not. Just ignore them, what comes around goes around, believe in that.
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Yes, people can play however they want. Their choice. However, the ones that play the hardest seem to be the ones that don't get as much enjoyment out of the game. Ease up a little, even just a couple games a night. Your sanity will thank you and you might find that there is more fun hidden in the game. The standard get kills/rush gens strategies are boring after awhile. Challenge yourself or just have stupid fun from time to time.
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" there are no clear win conditions".
Well kinda, but MMR for killers only rewards kills and MMR for survivors only rewards escapes so I'd say that there are winning conditions, just not team-related. Even the devs have stated that they consider the game a set of 4 1v1 games, which I personally think is just insane, but given that's how they've decided MMR rewards to be it makes it fairly clear:
- Killer's only goal is to kill as many survivors as they can.
- Survivors only goal is to escape by whatever means they can.
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I believe its more entitled to not expect criticisms over how you played throughout the match. Yes you can play how you want but as long as you're not being toxic or derogatory in endgame chat over the results, then its perfectly fine.
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Terms like "sweaty"/"tryhard"/"touch grass"/etc are derogatory. That’s my point.
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Wow, this resource is so cool! I'll make this my standard reply to this tryhard accusations.
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It's honestly baffling how people can say something like that over a game. I hope you reported them.
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Tryharding in a game isn't even an insult, as most players will tryhard in multiplayers games aka "doing their best".
Funny thing with the "touch grass" wording... I always thought it's meant to be to smoke weed in order to play more chilled. :D
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People can play how they want, that's true. I'm no one to tell them how to enjoy the game.
However, if that player shows no respect for their opponents, and plays in a way to actively prevent them from enjoying the game, I'll have my opinion about it.
No sense in sending them salt, but I'll judge them quietly and I'm not ashamed of that.
Instead, I'll just send love to the next remarkable player I'm matched with or against. Particularly means a lot to killers, since some get called names all day.
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Your problem should be with the devs, not the players. It’s not the players’ fault that the most efficient and smart way to play is to use dev-intended tactics that typically are not fun for the other side.
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I can multitask
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It was a party chat over voice, can't report without evidence, but yeah people take games too seriously.
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