The First Nerf Windows of Opportunity Thread

What seems more probable:

1. They don't know how to balance well
2. It's a sneaky plot to squeeze extra money out of players

I mean really. #2 is much less likely.

I think Windows is healthy for the game, it allows newer players to at least have some chance to navigate a map and not get completely destroyed within a couple of seconds. Even then, it isn't really going to help an inexperienced player and the really high level players never run it so it sure isn't meta with the top end of the skill range

I don't think it needs a nerf, because i think in some games it can be detrimental to the team, particularly when used by those who don't know how to loop. Survivors start off the game in a strong position, with plenty of pallets at their disposal. As the game progresses, these resources slowly diminish. All you need is one pallet-dropping-happy survivor dropping as many as they please to avoid taking a single hit, and creating dead zones early in the game as a result. It's a very handy perk, when used conservatively.

I used it before the buff and it was fine for me. Now everyone is getting why.

The difference is: Console players. Maps got more dark with the reworks and now pallets are harder to spot aswell.

We can't just brighten the screen, we can't lower the graphics and/or use filters. Which is fine, as we're playing the game AS INTENDED. That's the only reason i (needed) to start use Windows. For killers i don't see a problem here. The problem are big maps and pallet RNG. Which is already there, Windows just shows you the mess. Also Windows is one less perk slot, -1 slot for second chances.

I don’t understand how WoO could possibly be the issue, and not the maps themselves.

Windows is solely telling you what you’ve got to work with. If that’s way too much stuff, that’s not WoO’s doing.

Toward the start of a match, yeah. Toward the end, knowing which parts of the map are dead without having to remember and/or know where your teammates threw pallets already can be quite valuable.

Now is this a problem with WOO or is this a problem with The Game?

Let's give it the DS treatment. When hit, see all windows and pallets for 3 seconds and then disable it for the rest of the match. Maybe even give the killer a 3 second Haste after vaulting a highlighted window or dropping a pallet. That'll keep it balanced.

Let's be honest here, the reason this perk is so widely used is because all other survivor perks suck anyways and pallets and windows are going to be always universally useful, so might as well make looping more reliable than having perks disable as soon as you touch the ground.

Just look at DS and Blast Mine. There's so many requirements and exceptions to their activation that it's not worth having.

Reassurance was meant to prevent camping and it literally requires both the killer to camp and you to lick the survivor's feet to apply it.

Perks don't do what they're supposed to do, so the best option is to just equip Windows and try not to die for as long as possible.

Exactly. The reason it became one of the top used perks was the nerf to smithereens of great perks like ds, iron will, spine chill, base kit BT among others in conjunction with its buff, which finally made it useful. WoO is a great soloq perk that shows you which pallets have been dropped by your teammates.It is not going to show you what loop is strong lol #########. You already know the moment you go to that tile or loop if it is weak or strong, even without WoO. It is not going to show you how to run that loop effectively, or which is the most efficient path to run a tile. The killer can still mindgame you, since it does not give you wallhacks. And yes it is used by old,new,good or bad survivors alike. If other great survivor perks were not nerfed so hard it was WoO was not going to be one of the top survivor perks. In not expecting nerfs on WoO anytime soon. It is just an aura reading perk, which is great for any level of survivor,especially in soloq.

About reassurance; if a killer sees it and still commits to camping, you really dont need to stay at the hook. If there is a gen at the proximity, it's free progress. Even better if you have, hyperfocus,stake out or both. If there are more than one reassuarnces on the team, the camping killer is just losing the game at a faster rate, since you can apply it 2 more times (different survivors) for the same hooked state.

Windows really isn't as good as everyone thinks. If you play the game enough you know where the pallets and windows should be. The only advantage above that is knowing which ones have been used. To some degree Windows is actually a bad perk, because the players that use it tend to throw way more pallets than they personally are allotted in a match (if they divided the pallets by four) and this leaves less pallets for everyone else while only extending a chase a little bit longer.

I personally feel that Windows of Opportunity is the perfect example of an over-hyped perk. A bunch of streamers starting showing off how useful it can be for a new player and all their survivor main followers started using it like the cultists they are. This happens regularly. I bet these streamers could start hyping up how great Iron Will still is (it is bad now) and some people would blindly follow them totally oblivious to the fact that it deactivates when you are exhausted. There are a lot of reasons you can become exhausted that don't include personal speed boosts.

It's only "turning your brain off" if you play the most safest boring way possible aka predropping every pallet

But they would do that anyway regardless if they have windows or not, just because you know where to go next - it doesn't automatically mean you'll be able to play it 100% perfectly. A lot of survivors have tile layouts/pallet spawns memorised and it takes just as much brain power as using the perk if you ask me.

That feels less of an issue of the perk, and more of an issue with the maps itself, since Survivors could theoretically just do the same without WoO to begin with.

I mean, look at a map like Garden of Joy Pain, that map is known for chaining tiles and a strong main building. Running from pallet to pallet would not be the product of WoO in that instance because the map itself is just poorly design and Survivors will do it anyways.

If you ever played SQ and got downed upon reaching a tile only to find out the pallet was used, you know the value of Windows of Opportunity. <-- This is the reason why it's so popular with the majority of the player base. The perk is wasted in SWF as they can just call out where they're dropping pallets and use more powerful perks like Unbreakable.

And on the High Usage = Overpowered, see BBQ before and after the nerf as well as Bloodweb update.

Windows is effectively a Perk Tax in SQ for the lack of in-game communication, the same way BBQ was a perk tax on any killer that wanted BPs.

Everyone knows it can only be one thing, never two or more.

Just gonna drop this here:

Usage =/= Balance.

It may give some indication that it is a good/stronger perk, but it doesn't immediately mean it is unbalanced.