Why did the killers start being lazy?

Honestly, we can do some simple maths to see whether 10s gen time was going to slow the game down with other regression nerfs. That's 50s longer. (or 50 charges).

Ruin would previously cause all gens to regress at 0.5 c/s. Now it's 0.25c/s. So, those 50 charges more are 100s of old ruin value (of course it could affect multiple gens at once, so that's cumulative). Fairly simple estimate is that if you could keep it up for about a minute or more beforehand even semi-consistently (assuming 2 gens regressing etc.), gens are actually faster.

PGTW used to knock off 25% (20 charges). Maximum pop value before Survivors died: 160 charges (220 total before the game ends). Now it knocks off at most 20. Assume an average of 50% gen progress when the Killer can kick it, and that's a max of 80 (110) on average. That's a gap of 80 charges--gens are faster.

Pain Res didn't change its regression, but since it can no longer force people off with DMS (once they re-implement that), the major slowdown part--that it allows for about another 30s of regression that can't be stopped--and forces Survivors off the most-complete gen to give time to interrupt it.

So, the big ongoing regression was nerfed to near-uselessness, and the big burst regression was similarly nerfed. Call of Brine still only applies the speed Ruin did, so it's not actually that great in isolation--and Eruption's pretty similar to Pain Res. In fact, that's what Eruption is replacing; the combo of CoB+Eruption is more of a kick-based Pain Res+DMS than a replacement from PGTW+Ruin. Yes, kicks now do some base regression straight-up, but about all that does is punish constantly tapping in chase then running off.

More regression was lost than gen time was gained. And then the Bloodweb rework made always bringing some sort of item way more doable. And then Hyperfocus and Stakeout came into it as possible ways to get some really silly gen times. And the aforementioned DH nerf caused everyone to really focus on doing gens until people started to get really good at new DH instead.

All of which leads us to the current fairly miserable situation where a 3gen went from nice in general and really important without the biggest regression perks, to the only thing the current regression meta can actually do. No DMS+Pain Res targeting of most-complete gens wherever they are (if the Survivors miss the hooking anim); no faster global regression if shoved off a gen; no big regression burst on a single kick. Nope, all the good regression now means 'keep downing people in a small area so you can go back and kick as needed'.

Its funny that most people dont mention the 50 charges canbe done in anywhere between 50 and 12.5 seconds. Even quicker with perks and toolboxes.

Good old "cant do 400 (450) seconds gens by myself", still ignoring 3 other sirvivors.

DBD the only game where the players get angry when they have to play more DBD.

PE is like Self Heal....those who don't know how to use it effectively make it a trash level perk, but those who do will break a 3 Gen, finish the last Gen or do that one person Gen so fast the Killer will have their head spinning

Well they nerfed Ruin to the point nobody would run it. So killers looked for different slowdown perks and found alot of synergy with the current meta. Add to this the increase in base gen time along with the killer basekit buffs and survivors realized they had to be efficient with gens to stand a chance.

Welp I’m in the minority, an older player that plays for fun.

I run no hexes and no slowdowns. Lightborn always, then usually things to make my life easier like brutal strength, agitation, etc

I don’t camp, except proxy occasionally. I just like going around downing whoever i can find.

I wish this game were less fixated on the whole generator thing. But that’s the core of what this game is about. Being asymmetrical doesn’t help.

I play without gen slowdown all the time, and it works just fine, unless i meet a 4-swf, or get unlucky with rng.

They are. Killers is the last years have been given many buffs that help in chases: faster breaking, shorter attack cooldowns, shorter post-hit sprint for survivors and so on. That's an undeniable fact.

Thank goodness you decided to post all this, I wasn’t sure if I wanted to speed all that time lol. There was a lot of incorrect things that needed correcting. Agree with most everything you said.

Meanwhile, Pig continues to cry because she still is bad at chases against competent players.