leaving until tunneling is addressed

Unfortunately camping and tunneling is the easiest option. Killers will do it until the devs make it less rewarding. We can only hope the devs will eventually change this.

assuming this isnt sarcasm, i dont see how nerfing perks that require the killer to leave would nerf camping. shouldnt they be buffed? love or hate eruption/cob, but it forces the killer to not camp the hook-they have to walk to at least one gen to get value out of 1 or 2 of their perks, giving survivors the opportunity to unhook

You must like 1k's huh?

Skill issue. Git gud.

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I don't understand why people are mad about tunneling. I would much rather be in chase then on a generator. Tunnel me please!

Tournament level of players should not be how the game is balanced. But if tunneling is nerfed lower tier killers will need to be buffed as that what is carrying them and keeping kill rates high. It's actually problem now killers can't be buffed until tunneling is nerfed. So nerfing tunneling would be just best for everyone lower tier killers could be actually made more viable to win other way. Only blights would probably not like that because they do it most in my experience. Probably next viable strat after that would be focusing your hooks between two survivors or target one over others.

Do you know what is the best solution to resist tunneling? Be good at the game. It's pure pleasure to run the killer 2-3 generators, then be taken off the hook, run 2 more generators and escape into the gate. This happens only when your team knows how to press m1 on the gens. Sometimes you might not be lucky with RNG. Or it's a very powerful killer with fast chases. But these moments and games are worth it when it happens.

It's a pity that you'll never know what it's like, because modern survivors have stopped even trying to be good at the game. "Mommy, I want the game to protect me from any troubles. Which button should I click to win the game? WDYM it doesn't exist? Well then I'm DC and leaving the game."

Soooo... Call Of Duty is a casual game unless you're a pro

Call Of Duty was meant to be a casual game...

IDK about League Of Legends... nor do I care (I don't play the game)

So what games do you consider casual (no single player games... cause comparing the two would be like comparing apples to oranges)

He could be the difference! Play like he would like to see killers play, when he is a survivor.

On the first part: if every survivor in a game was capable of running the killer for 90+ seconds, survivors win easily. If that was the standard at which defined survivors as just being 'good at the game' killers would have a right to be massively upset about the balance.

The second part is something that always gets brought up when this is discussed and baffles me. You complain that survivors want the game to be easy when what is being pointed out is that the most powerful killer strategies are childishly easy. Camping? Just stand in front of the hook. Tunneling? Identify the weakest player on the team and, if in soloQ, probably get them out really quickly. Slug camp? Just stand over the body.

The very thing you complain about, the request for a press a button and win, is what killers have available to them.

Stopping hook sacrifice progress when the killer is in the vicinity of the hook.

Survivor abused that by just swarming around the hook at a visual distance and the killer ended up in a lose/lose scenario back then.

Either chase someone while obviously the other are going for the free save or stay there and nothing progresses and the survivor also don't lose anything by making this stupid play.

Edit: What i mean by stupid play is that it isn't really camping when the killer knows for a fact that survivor are already around. Survivor aren't entitled to a free save every.time without making a smart play aka let the killer leave first.

Isn't there a simple way this could have been fixed? Hook don't progress if killer near the hook UNLESS they are in a chase. It could be that if the killer has a bloodlust chase time any higher than zero hooks progress normally.

Maybe I'm missing something about the mechanics, but that just seems really rare. Was the zone that the killer had to vacate really large? Because I feel like if survivors are around either you will be registered as being in a chase or being outside the zone.

Or if that doesn't work: Hooks don't progress if a killer is within X meters of the hook UNLESS a survivor is also within Y meters. You could even put a 15 second delay on that so that killers wouldn't know a survivor is close by after a hook.

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Camping seems the most obviously broken things about the game to me and I'm surprised more efforts aren't made to fix it. About a week ago I hit three campers in a single night. In one game players foolishly rushed in immediately, more downs. Game should have been over quick, but killer still refused to leave the camp. In the second, we made two attempts at trying to free the hook, but being we were soloQ we screwed up the timing. In the other game, no one bothered to go for the rescue, we finished the gens easily, and left. All the game were boring and in none of them was I the person camped.

It's an easy strategy that can be used to be vindictive (if someone outplays the killer guarantee they don't escape) or to try and force a player out early (because frequently the camped survivor will suicide because they have nothing to play for). It's also one of those things that is completely useless against SWF (quick com message is all that's needed to make it irrelevant) and overpowered against soloQ.

This feels like a waste of time...

But survivors that can loop for 90 seconds, when all pallets are up are not rare. Its like at least one per game usually.

Camping is not easy, aside from bubba. You can of course sit there and face to face them and this will usually work out with a hook trade, but in that time gens are getting done. Basically you're going to lose if you do this from the start. And later SWF types deal with it pretty well, usually resulting in them 2 exiting.(Some people will say thats a draw, but IDK anyone who sets out to play for that goal.).

Tunneling is good game play, but not so much where you can identify the weak survivor(if there is one on the map), figuring that out takes time, and IDK about you, but my matches don't give me that time.

While you are slug camping you are aiming for a 1k or something, never seen anyone seriously do this from the start. Have seen it late match when a survivor was abusing boil over, or broken hit boxes, geometry.

The game has adequate and varied mechanics in place to discourage most of these things most of the time.

Killers do not have an I win button, neither do survivors.

As annoying and frankly repulsive sportmanship wise as most SWF are, neither do they. Its all skills you build through practice and game, map knowledge, and a little observation of your opponents.

As a killer, if I could ask for one thing, it would be time, slow the matches down so we(or maybe just I) can enjoy the observation of specific opponents part.

at the OP, just sandbag a Gen while running bond, the killer while come off to kick the gen/ get on that person, most of the time.

I don't remember the specifics but survivor being in vision range can be anything from a few to dozens of meters and a chase is not triggered at a short to medium range.

It is rare nowadays but it wasn't when the restriction was tested, just like a boil over dedicated built is relatively rare now but was all around when kt was broken.

And yes that distance X and Y solution was also the thing I thought would solve it. I don't know if a delay would really fix the problem or not, but that's not my problem anymore.