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My experience with DBD lately.

Hello everyone. I have about 1k hours in DBD, and most of that has been playing survivor. I only recently started being more active playing killer.

I wanted to talk about my experience with DBD lately. Everytime I try, and play survivor I end up getting teammates that don't really do well in chases. Normally I can loop a killer for 1-2 gens on a good day 3 gens, but my teammates can never do the same. I can't even do gens now cause I feel like I have to play with the killer, and carry my team or else we won't get anything done. The new HUD system indeed made a difference, more survivors are doing gens, but it didn't help them in chase, and I still have to sacrifice myself for my team to escape.

So I started playing killer more. Now I'm not as good with chases in killer cause as a survivor your normally the one dictating where to go in the chase so I'm still learning to mind game as a killer, but the problem is when I play killer I actually get the opposite from my survivor games. I get survivors who know what the hell they are doing. I'm talking hyperfocus + prove thyself with green toolboxes with brand new parts. I feel like I just don't have enough time to do chases by the time I complete a chase 2 gens go by. If they bring dead hard the chase last so much longer, and there just not enough time for me to do anything as a killer. It's not like I'm not breaking chases, and causing pressure cause I am, but what's even the point of kicking a gen it barely does anything ,and as soon as I go back into a chase the survivor taps the gen so no regression is even made.

In conclusion lately I find myself playing less, and less of DBD. My matches in both survivor, and killer is just not enjoyable anymore. In the past it didn't feel this way. I don't know if it's just the direction BHVR is taking DBD, but the game just isn't as fun anymore. It feels like ever since the knight DLC the game has just become so much worse lately. I find myself looking for other games, and that's sad cause DBD has always been there for me. It's always been that game I swap back to inbetween other games. I hope something is done to make the game better, cause I just see the game getting worse with each update. I've also noticed a lot more people been making post about how they too don't enjoy the game as much anymore. What is your opinion on DBD? These are my thoughts ,and feelings lately :/

Comments

  • Tostapane
    Tostapane Member Posts: 1,667

    similar to mine, except that i'm a killer main and i found playing survivor as a m1 simulator... Doing gens>looping because the 1st one will grant you the escape, the other will only waste the killer's time (and if your teammates aren't doing gens, it's all worthless efforts), while as killer all my matches are the same: EVERYONE with Dead Hard ("bUt tH1s p3rK w4s n3rF3d 4nD n0w h4s 4 l0w p1cK r4t3!1!"), gens will fly even if you end chases fast (no more than 30 seconds) and you are forced to play in the same way to achieve at least a single kill

  • DyingWish92
    DyingWish92 Member Posts: 793

    I had a killer game today with Nemesis on disturbed ward. Took me 30 or 40 seconds to find my first survivor. Then I got in a chase with a David who held W well and looped a couple pallets and by the time I downed him 4 gens were done. 2 minutes and 54 seconds. 4 gens.

  • KingDeathly
    KingDeathly Member Posts: 149

    Mostly why I just stopped playing gens go by to fast, and every time I say something about gens going to fast or Dead hard I get these simps who are like nothing wrong with the game your just bad get gud. I'm so tired of arguing with these players who think dbd is this well balanced game, specially with dead hard. I can't stand the people who think there nothing wrong with dead hard. I literally put it on and it doubles my time in a chase. It practically started the chase all over again, but DBD is balanced right?

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,904

    I would advise you to keep an open mind.

    Do not dismiss people simply because you disagree, if they bother to put clear thought into their arguments, consider them. I don't often agree with people like @Blueberry, @Aven_Fallen or @StarLost but I'd be a fool to simply dismiss their oft well-crafted arguments simply because I don't share their view.


    You've admitted you don't have too much time on Killer. Most, if not the vast majority, of my 5.5K hours have been spent on Killer. There's STILL things I need to improve on, still things I'm learning, there's still things I'm not able to do. Surely, it's not completely unreasonable that your perspective may not yet be wide enough to fully consider the scope of DBD's balance.

    Killer is certainly a difficult role to get better at. It's...better and worse than when I first played. There are far less broken things in the game, but the average skill level has gone up massively in the 5 years since I was in your position as a new Killer.

  • KMainEZ
    KMainEZ Member Posts: 129

    At the very least, the killers shroud offering could group survs, and the survs split maybe one per offering from the group. Please BHVR 🤞


  • c0gnu5
    c0gnu5 Member Posts: 70

    Like Forza said, cognitive biases. I play both killer and survivor and i have around 800 hours. It's easy to remember games where you get destroyed as a survivor with everybody dead on 4 gens, or games where you get destroyed as a killer with 2 hooks and everybody at exit gate. But I bet you had games where you destroyed that Nurse with noed, where it felt like everybody knew exactly what to do, or games where you got 3 kills on survivors with 4k+ hours each.

    If you struggle as a survivor - try to find folks you can play with on comms, or if you prefer solo q - just try to take games less seriously. Run blast mine and autodidact etc.

    If you struggle as a killer - record your gameplay. You will very quickly catch mistakes you make and you will know what to improve. Also, if survivors brought strongest items and perks in the game, don't take it too seriously.

  • Tostapane
    Tostapane Member Posts: 1,667
    edited February 2023

    you see, i think that genspeed overall is fine par se, the problems are lack of other objectives to do for the survivors (for example they should add a mechanic that after reaching a certain percentage the gen won't regress completely if being kicked/regressed by perks but you have to found a special item that will casually spawn on the map in order to continue the reparations, in that way you'll also keep the survivor's gameplay more dinamic and interactive), all the 2nd chances that survivors have (this is problematic only in high mmr imo where people actually know how to loop well and will last MUCH longer in chases: for example doesn't matter if a survivor will use instaheals, ds, otr, dead hard, etc etc, if the survivor will be an average looper/isn't tryharding by chaining safe loops/will avoid to ABUSE certain loops like the house in the garden of joy map, he/she will be downed in a reasonable time) and the rng/size of the maps that most of the times will screw badly the killer (again garden of joy and the HUGE amount of pallets near each other in every loop, not to mention again the central building of that map; or the houses in haddonfield that are extremely safe and unless you take bamboozle those are literal infinites with certain killers just to made a couple of examples... i could name other maps but i'll stop here because i'll probably wrote an essay). Essencially people will keep blaming killers that tunnel WITHOUT questioning WHY they play in that way (actual mechanics of the game INCENTIVE killers to dispose of a survivor ASAP intead of going for mixed hooks)

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

    Yeah, HSFP (Hyperfocus+Stakeout+Fogwise+PTS) genrush teams are probably the #1 thing that scares me in this game, because they are just stupidly easy to play (you don't even really need to loop much, just be stealthy and have folks constantly call the killer out with Fogwise) and can feel nearly impossible to beat when they'll have 2-3 gens done before you even see them sometimes.

    Unfortunately, the only way to really counter these groups is to play an absolutely bonkers Blight or Nurse and slug like crazy.

    Fortunately they aren't common, but I am starting to see more of them (if you see 3x toolboxes and 1x medkit, get ready for pain) and dammit are they stupid unfun to face on weaker killers because you'll barely have time to even really play the game.

    As to your experiences:

    • Survivor is unfortunately a team coordination role, and solo queue is always going to be insanely volatile. But it does cut both ways. Sometimes I'll be the one that loops the killer for 3 gens, sometimes I'll be the one getting carried. If you want stability, you'll need to run with a stable group.
    • Killer is a lot more 'stable', because it's all on you, baby. But yes, this is also what makes killer such a sodding frustrating role at times. My advice - pick 1 or 2 killers (decent killers, mind) and master them. Not someone really funky like Nurse, but not Demogorgon either. Artist, Wesker, Cenobite, Legion, Doctor - all good choices. You'll learn as you go and get your instincts right.

    Also - don't worry about mindgames for now. Focus on learning how survivors will run a tile and where to be.

    One last thing - forums for any game tend to be negative, because people who come to the forums are often people with an axe to grind. Happy players are busy playing.

  • Riski
    Riski Member Posts: 208

    Firstly, people on forums always say the game is getting worse. Most people don't cry out about how much of a good time in dbd they're having, because they're playing dbd instead and enjoying themselves. Most people on forums are here because they like forum interactions, are looking for help or want a place to give their anger and the last group defiantly has the most they want to say.

    To avoid sounding like a dickhead there is one constant here. What I'm saying applies to most multiplayer games which blaming the other players is a mindset that you can bait your self with. Someone else mentioned cognitive biases which is a key factor but there are two things to consider.

    1. Regardless of hours or intent it's ok to not do well. People get lilted, unfocused, unlucky, make mistakes and hell I can get rusty after not playing for less than a week. Doing bad is ok, you're not supposed to win all the time on either side and the most important part of any game is trying to win while setting goals that aren't contingent on it. Trying to get better isn't always winning, using a new build and experimenting isn't always winning, going for those sick montage clips isn't always winning. I'm not saying to not try or expect to lose but if you are someone who needs to always win, which doesn't necessarily sound like you, multiplayer games probably aren't for you. Ultimately it's a game and yes someone may bm in the post chat but beyond that no one else will significantly care about the results of the match afterwards. I'm saying this because important for the next part.
    2. You are the constant. Record it down to avoid any sort of negative biases and check, are people really bringing absurd amount of gen speed bonuses each match or are my team mates actually throwing. Chances are they're not and there's one factor constant, you. Chances are you're not even losing too often but just have this negative bias which picks out what you don't like over what you do. If you win less than your average survivor however, you are the constant in all of your teams. If you are seeing these problems and what your doing isn't working change. Stop throwing yourself at the killer because of this defeatist mindset that your teammates are bad, make sure that on these 2 minute chases your aren't bringing the killer to your teammates and stopping them from doing gens, maybe try to focus on objectives and see if that helps. As for killer bring some early game help, play more aggressively, gen speed bonuses usually come at the detriment of not having as strong medkits or other late game options so focus on exploiting that, the survivors can't have everything. It's easy to blame the factors out of your control but if the constant in the matches you lose is you, you need to change. Try anything different and see if it helps rather than doing the same thing over and over.

    I understand what I said may sounds condescending as you do have a lot of hours but I've seen people with even more and less hours fall into this negative pitfall of thinking they've learnt the game or it's always factors out their control and let themselves get infuriated by it, notably it's just as easy for smart or experienced people to rationalise bad ideas or thought patterns as those who could be consider less smart or experienced. None of this just applies to dbd and I'm not saying the game is perfect, but if the frustration is from losing adapt. Most killers can win and most survivors can win, regardless of hours the game will change in a way that hurts your playstyle every so often and you'll have to look at yourself and think, what should I do to overcome this.

    A final thing is you do have a lot of time, maybe you've gotten bored. Sometimes it isn't about losing or change but over exposure. 1k is a lot in any game and maybe your bored, the small matches where things go wrong irk you more and more and the nice ones are a drop in a puddle now. If you genuinely feel like you've had enough regardless of any changes you could make it take a break, the game has given you a good bang for your buck and it will always be there to come back to later for all it matters. BHVR will notice if everyone gets bored and dislikes the game from play rates or reviews, so don't worry yourself about whether or not this is a personal issue or some grand problem BHVR has the tools to figure that out themselves it's their job.

  • Katzengott
    Katzengott Member Posts: 1,210

    Just imagine each surv in your team takes the killer on a 2-3 gen chase, that's 2-3 hooks for the killer at best until the game is over.

    On the other side, you NEED gen defense as killer if you don't play against completly potatoes.

    Also it's not just about MMR, it also depends WHEN you're playing in your region. Queue times are still prioritized.

  • Hannacia
    Hannacia Member Posts: 1,323
    edited February 2023

    I had a match today where the gens were done in less than 5 minutes. I got 1 hook in it. They had 2 windows players which sadly i was chasing both and they just ran from pallet to pallet. Map was pale rose...grah..

    Lately ive seen survivors just do gens as fast as possible, had many games as survivor as well where the gens were done so fast the killer got 0-2 hooks in the whole game. I don't find this fun as a survivor when i play one and i find it even less funny when i play killer.

    Game has issues on both sides right now. I'm agreeining eruption is little overtuned, but so are gen speedup perks like prove thyself. Its very common to see multiple prove thyselfs in one game. Survivors spawning in different places + huge maps are also a big problem for many killers. Lately..the new maps..do i even have to say anything?

    I play more survivor nowdays since im burned out from killer, and after today..i dont miss being a killer.

  • Deathstroke
    Deathstroke Member Posts: 3,522

    Doctor and legion are weaker than demodog why not to main him? Cenobite is also very hard and has higher skill ceiling with chains than nurse with blinks if you want to master one. Artist and wesker I agree being good choices they're strong killers and simple to play. But you should add Oni to this list too only buff he need is to have ability to injure survivors faster. Med kits, coh and pre dropping are hurting him.

  • Krazzik
    Krazzik Member Posts: 2,475

    To be fair if you're regularly taking the killer on a 2-3 gen chase then you're not in the correct MMR. That's not something that should be happening very often and you should be going against more skilled killers. As said before if all the survivors could do that then the killer would never be able to get anything done.

    That said if you're solo queuing it's not a shock that different survivors have different strengths. I've got heaps of hours in the game and if I had to guess I'd say I'm a mid-MMR survivor and yet I can't loop at all. I've never been able to learn how to I just hold W and hope for the best. I do however proritise gens well and try to make sure I'm always doing something productive for the team, which is something surprisingly rare among survivors it seems :p