How to Counter Spirit?

She's not unbeatable. My hot take for the day Wesker is stronger than spirit in my opinion. She doesnt need a nerf.

Iron Will still isn't completely invalid as a counter. Lucky Break or something else to hide your scratch marks can confuse the other player for a second to make distance. Things like slow vaulting still work if you know Spirit is close.

But FFS, Spirit doesn't have anything in her base kit to nerf to account for 'I can't hear her for some reason'. She's still less than double base movement. If you add visual cues, you've just made her a kinda fast M1 Killer.

I understand you completely, it's hard for me to play Spirit as well as against her. What I mostly do is trying to predict where she is heading and moving into least expected position. That's the only counter, i think. In short, THINK what SHE WOULD THINK YOU WOULD DO and do the OPPOSITE.

Camping pallets injured is the worst thing you can do against a Spirit...

Don't camp pallets. Most of the times it doesn't work. Crouch if you can it silences your voices and sometimes confuses the spirit. Unless they have an addon that gives you away.

Spirit is very audio based killer so not having audio is already making it so much harder for you to counter her since you cannot tell which side she's coming from or how far is she.

W gaming and prepalleting works against her if you really cant rely on audio, but remember if you are running out in the open she will catch you fast. Iron will is still a handy tool against her even if it doesnt silence you 100%.

When i play spirit i play with my headset at 80-100 volume because some survivors are so damn quiet. Ace is one of them.

People who say she isnt counterable here just want everyone to be trappers :)

Literally the only thing in her addons that needs a nerf is how MDR interacts with DCB.

That's it. Her addons are mediocre and underwhelming otherwise, especially because they nerfed one of the two gimmicks (Furin is now completely useless for any purpose) as a bug fix, leaving pallet breaking as the only other option.

Even then, DCB could be changed to be much more of an accessibility addon than just flat out nerfed. Keep it's ability to give killer instinct, but survivors make no/significantly reduced grunts of pain (also you can see scratch marks again). The really good players with cracked headsets won't need it, but for newer players or those who are hard of hearing/have terrible headsets it could be a very welcome addon.

The only thing that Spirit has that really needs to go, imo, is MDR. Everything else she has is fine, or can be slightly tweaked to make it fine, tbh.

And you are most welcomed to your own opinion. In my books Wesker is stronger and has more going for him than spirit so spirit for me does not go to top 3. She's strong but not unbeatable.

Her addons do the same thing with different wording. She has few strong addons that make people go googoo over gaagaa. I wish they would give her addons that would do more than just..give her more phasing or lessen the time to get her power back..or make her faster.. Furin is now poopoo too and its an addon i started using not too long ago..welp back to MDR for me ;)

Citation needed.

Spirit with MDR+DCB? Maybe. Anything else? Wesker's far better rounded.

Best way to counter her is to understand her POV best as possible. It’s best to know what possible plays she might make, and hearing where her general area is helps.

A lot of us Spirit mains use the directional audio to fool a survivor into thinking we’re headed towards one way but we actually double back. It all depends on how the Spirit plays at the end of the day.

I’m not the best with explaining things so I can send some Spirit clips of me playing as and against her.

So a common play at a generic loop like this for us is to short burst. Running away from a loop can work when you suspect a Spirit might do this, but keep in mind a Spirit can still see you’re running away and just chase after you. If that happens you can try a couple things: keep running if you think you can make another tile or if you can hear the Spirit is right on top of you, you can make a complete 180 if you can time it right (timing is if she’s close enough to you, the audio gets very intense when she does). It could throw her off, but it’s not something is always meant to work, but this is where mindgames come in to play: you can switch it up and make a quick 180 to make her think you turned around and then quickly do another quick 180. This has thrown me off a lot over my hundreds of hours playing this killer.

I would have to say camping pallets doesn’t work 9 times out of 10, especially when injured. Pallets aren’t going to be the savior, mindgames are. That clip from the Game, the loop is big enough to where the survivor could hear me coming from their left, so running right would’ve maybe threw me off here. It’s about changing up your routes and making Spirit guess on your location. Also, switch it up what you do each time to make it harder for Spirit to read what you do.

I won’t send too many more clips but I’ll send some clips of me playing against her, hopefully get a little visual of a Spirit main going against her.

First clip’s title is just a mockery to some friends I know who DC against Spirit instead of trying getting better against her lmao:

I wish I had more clips of playing against her, but sadly she’s too rare in my games :(

Anyway, hopefully I explained everything well as I’m not the best with explaining things but I hope I was helpful nonetheless. If you have any questions let me know 🙂

Thank you. I asked for this sort of information in another thread, and you put it here, it's very helpful.

And it mirrors what I was starting to learn while using Spirit.

The short of it looks like:

Use her 4.4 movement speed to keep her away if she decides to straight chase you via conventional looping, she's slow.

Use the "W" key in the open she can only chase you so far in phase.

Don't wait at the spot you would normal stand at, like the pallet, she'll come out of phase and hit that spot because most people stand in that spot waiting for a visible killer so they can drop a pallet on them. Don't try to stand her off at a corner(like a shack tile.) for the same reason.

I also feel like areas with lots of debris that you would not normally loop are good. Good because sound doesn't show exactly where a survivor is, it just shows the general area, and thin walls, barrel stacks, and so on could have the survivor on either side of an object you can easily see over/through but can't hit through.

On the use of sound topic, is there some headphone metric that makes some of them better? I use them to play Spirit now and I'm wondering if there is a specific attribute that some have that would make her sound usage more accurate.

I ask because I want to better deal with things like Shack wall. I can hear a survivor, but with no echo modeled or modelling of sound diffusion through the wood walls, it can be awfully hard to tell which side of the wall the survivor is actually on.

What is the furin doing now? I read the patch notes, but it didn't make much sense.

It used to provide defacto slowdown because most survivors would get off the gens too often. It also messed up Lethal Pursuer for the same reason.

Backtracking over scratchmarks has served me well multiple times. On moving erratically I've allay had success with just walking away from my current spot when I hear her phasing (just the sound in general, not worrying too much on direction).

It's obviously far less effective against Spirit players who know what to listen for or are paying attention to the small visual cues like moving grass, but it's given me the edge against more than one spirit.

Thanks.

It sounds useless now. I guess I'll mess around with in the morning and see if it is confusing to survivors in some way.

I think that is Spirit's perceived super power, she's confusing to face.