Stop crying about killer being impossible now
Just because your favorite toy got nerfed into the ground doesn't mean that killer is impossible now. The killrate will still be well over 50% and you still have a good amount of alternatives to Eruption. How about looking how you can improve as killer before blaming the devs for you losing matches without an overpowered perk. Yes a full potential survivors can stomp most killers to the ground. But you are never playing against the full potential. Stop acting like you face a comp squad every game. Balancing wise killer is in a good place. Now fun wise I do agree that killer is getting worse. This game feels soul draining even if you win atleast for me. But winning is never an issue.
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Thank you!
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I never used eruption, and still did just fine. I warned people not to crutch on that perk because I knew this was coming. 🤷🏻♂️ Now they’re all throwing fits.
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You have chosen to speak the language of truth
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I'm so sorry to start the cycle of complaining about complaining about complaining, but please, can you all just stop complaining? (lol)
I just hate how people just start a loop of complaining. If you know what I mean, can we make one thread and stick with that? Like yeah yeah, eruption got over-nerfed, but we don't need 50 threads about how nerfed it got or how it deserved it, or how people complain too much.
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The people who are crying over this nerf are the same people who can’t do well without eruption simple as
And before you bring the “But what about dead hard?” Yes that perk is equally a crutch but you do understand it’s possible to discuss different perks by themselves
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Yeah its usually very easy to tell what will get nerfed to the ground, thats why Freddy got nerfed too, since he was very easy to use, and had very good slow down addons.
So if anyone wants to avoid bad surprises its best to use things that require skill, because the majority wont be good enough for those, so wont get nerfed.
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"you still have a good amount of alternatives to Eruption"
Like what ? No, seriously, i'm sure you have more knowledge than me and i don't know those alternatives, can you name me a few ?
"looking how you can improve as killer"
Again, you're for sure more skilled than me, please tell me how i can improve my Mayers/Freddy/Twin/Trapper gameplay, maybe on Decimated Borgo map without using any gen regression perks
"a full potential survivors can stomp most killers to the ground."
I'm sorry i'm confused now, haven't you just said killers are fine and it's just a matter of skill and now "most killers" are going to be stomped against good survivors. So..are killers fine or "most killers sucks" ?
"Balancing wise killer is in a good place."
True, trapper is so in a good place rig..oh wait you meant Blight/Wesker/Spirit are in a good place..is that you meant right ? And for balance you mean exactly what ? They are strong against low level or new players and have no chance against a comp team or even a medium skilled team on almost every map ? Well yes if you mean that yes, killers are balanced.
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"Killer is impossible now" honestly idk how ppl can say this
I stopped using Eruption months ago when I was sick of facing it as surv
Big agree
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Why should the weakest killers on the roster with bad loadouts be able to compete against the best players on the other side? That would be a horrible game. It's ok if better players win. There's nothing wrong with that. People have this notion that killers should always be able to compete regardless of killer choice, build, or skill level. Why? That wouldn't be a balanced game at all, it would just be tipping the scale in the other direction.
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every reddit killer main claims to play against comp swf squads fr
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Exactly. Just because one side got buffed/nerfed, doesn't mean that the other side needs the same treatment as well. Perk on survivor side are typically not comparable on the other side. What needs to be done is that we look into all perks and need to decide whether it's priblematic or not.
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Well it's true though that we should make the weakest killer atleast not completely useless and be able to compete with the stronger killers, otherwise there is no variety at the top level. Sure trapper will always remain weak, but you can still make meaningful changes to him or atleast the maps that have 0 grass.
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For alternatives you have Pop goes the weasel, deadlock, corrupt intervention, pain resonance, Jolt, Call of brine, overcharge and No way out if you want to focus on endgame
Plenty of choice
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I'm sorry but if you first blame the killer being the weakest and then blame skill there's a problem
Better player should win REGARDLESS the killer they choose because all killers should be equals with different powers and different concept and overall the same strenght and weakness. You cannot say "killers are fine" when really just few of them are fine and the others are plain bad or not working at all (twins once again)
So let me rephrase for you " Blight, Spirit, Nurse, Wesker are balanced and can have a chance against good players, other killers even if played in an optimal way has no winning chance against good players" that's your idea of balancing.
And, i'm still waiting to hear from you all the valid alternatives to eruption and, by the way, alternative i can use in a solid build because you also blame that so...please build for me a good and viable Mayers or Trapper or Sadako or Clown who can stand against comp survivors.
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I'm seriously confused why people play this game if they feel the role they prefer is so miserable and impossible to win with. Always pointing out the worse case scenario for every little thing and act like they have never won a game in their life. Maybe it's an act just to try and get free buffs? I honestly hope it is because this behavior is just mind-boggling to me at this point.
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pop goes the weasel good joke man, good joke
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lol @ anyone saying there's no alternatives to Eruption. Your probably getting yet another one in two minutes.
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Dude, if you only respond to sentence fragments, you're gonna end up confused no matter what.
Have you tried reading the whole post?
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That's why i stopped to play this game and no, if you ever look at my history post i never ever ask for buff or nerf, i'm asking to rework many game mechanics and maps those are the problem not DH or Eruption, fix the majority of the killers instead of pushing out a new one while the oldest killers are in a such horrible status right now, place a cap of generation repair buff, rework the layout of the maps, remove several pallets and make them unsafe and more and more..
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Yeah, I remember that. I refused to use Eruption (even on weak killers) because of how bad it feels to go against as survivor and how stupid OP it is. Definitely carried a lot of killers.
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It's fine. People are going to go back to DMS+Pain Res and then the forums will go back to survivors complaining.
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If you are only going to play a game when everything about the balance has to be in your favor to like it, maybe the game just isn't for you. The devs already reworked all of the old maps, changing them again is unlikely to happen. Maybe tiny fixes at best. They seem to have a direction in mind on what they believe is balanced about the maps otherwise they wouldn't be this way. And no, it's not because they hate Killer mains. Trust, I play Killer too and I hate every version of Badham so much. And old Haddonfield (the new one is a good example of fixing a bad map to fi both sides, a sign that they DO care and are trying to be fair).
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You are twisting my words which is fine but I want to clarify some things:
1) Here is a list of alternatives:
- Gen kicking perk synergize just fine without Eruption
- Pain Res + DMS
- Gen stalling perk (Corrupt Intervantion + Deadlock) can buy a lot of time
- You still have many info perks: Lethal, Discordance, Tinkerer, BBQ, Floods etc.
- Save the Best for Last
- Sloppy + Terminus is the perfect counter for those who use Adrenaline and don't bother healing
- Other endgame perks help as well
like I said. Plenty of alternatives
2) What you can do is recording a match and reviewing it afterwards. Also it's funny how you listed the weakest killers on one of the most survivor sided maps and an unoptimized build and used that as an argument against my post. But that was never my argument. I mean killers overall not the weakest killers when everything favors the survivors. You are making a silly comparison here. Even with Trapper you have a chance of winning if your build is optimized and the map isn't too terrible for him. Also my argument was that killer won't be impossible just because Eruption got nerfed so your argument missed my point. You rather hyperfocused on the weak end of the killer spectrum and asked me: "how are you supposed to win on these scenarios?" But that wasn't my point. Overall killer is not impossible.
3) I literally said "at full potential"... as if the survivors you go against always at full potential. No full potential means Hens's winstreak squad not your average SWF you go against. Winning against those will still be very possible without Eruption if you play your cards right.
4) Even mid-tier killers are in a fine state. Stop using low-tier killers as an argument of why killer OVERALL is in a weak state. You can also say: Oh survivor is just fine? What about me playing with OoO and no mither? is survivor still fine then? Well if you play in the weakest form possible don't be surprised if you lose. I'm talking about killer experience OVERALL not in every case. Because both sides obviously have issues.
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Killer just simply isn't as bad as this forum makes it out to be. Seems to be where people who are frustrated with game, Survivor and Killer alike, come to vent. Which is fine, feedback is needed for growth. But the us vs. them thing is so unhealthy and these poor devs are just being pulled back and forth like tug of war and never get enough credit for how much they are clearly trying to make both sides happy. Eruption just flat out needed to be nerfed because it was promoting unhealthy gameplay. I honestly didn't mind it in most games but the Killers who relentlessly tunnel and try to hold a three gen by kicking with Eruption in between the tunneling was just not fun, winning aside.
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Well that ######### has a counter and if people complain about it you know it's entitlement
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Agreed wholeheartedly.
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People will find a reason to complain. Especially those in party who will have trouble getting easy games more often than not.
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1) So the only alternative to Eruption are two perks, PainRes and DMS. I really find hard to see how STBFL is an alternative to Eruption but maybe now STBFL has a gen regression option as well. See, if you are talking about alternative i want an alternative. Even the guy who said "pop goes the weasel" was an alternative more in line than STBFL ( and PGTW it's just pure garbage )
2) "Overall killer is not impossible." Sure if you play only some killers, forget the others, play against newbie or unskilled soloQ on few decent maps yeah, i agree with you. Other than that yes i'll still bring up the weakest killers because they are in game, because i want to play them and if a single perk would allow them to be more playable and then you remove that perk, unless you're going to fix those killer well..yes it's almost impossible to win
3) How do you know what kind of survivors i play against ? And how do i know what kind of survivors i'm going to face ? If i want to win ( and i do play to win ) i have to use the best build possibile ( and you said that as well ). Now the best build possible has eruption but since that perk is now a useless garbage..i can't use anymore the best build possible.
4) Survivors are all the same type there's no difference between Meg and Jeff, it's just skill and perk and communication problem. Killer has no communication issue but there is the killer type issue. So once again, why i should not talk about ALL the killers but just name the best one to claim "killers are fine" ? Sure are fine if you look at few of them but there are 30 killers in the game and let's say only 10 are fine
So please if you're honest just say " Few killers are fine, the others are trash even more now since they cannot use anymore a strong perk" because that's the truth.
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[ Yes a full potential survivors can stomp most killers to the ground. But you are never playing against the full potential. Stop acting like you face a comp squad every game. ]
Killer: *Slugs the last survivor for 8 games in a row, spinning, nodding or teabagging up to the last tick of the timer before hooking them*
Killer: *Ranks up, faces their first SWF of the night, gets into a 5-gen chase, gets teabagged at the gates*
Killer, running straight to the forums: "Reasons why Windows Of Opportunity is the single most overpowered perk in the history of ever, survivors lead chases, I am not in control, survivors are so toxic, killer is underpowered"
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Cool, still doesn’t change the fact that it was overnerfed, but survivors probably wouldn’t have been happy if that didn’t happen.
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True, but the frustration about DH not being addressed while seemingly every strong/frequently used killer perk gets nerfed hard is very legitimate.
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It's exactly this kind of treatment that turns off many killers from playing while others start to go for easier games, either by deranking or camping / tunneling from start. This trend of pleasing majority over minority will have devastating results in the end for both sides.
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Love it when anyone voices genuine concerns then people come out the wood work to say "STOP COMPLAINING" great community we've got here guys. It's not possible that something can ever be overnerfed into uselessness EVER and saying it was overnerfed is just "complaining" and you need to stop talking about it. Keep your head down and accept the bullying.
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what other slowdown perks are there?
Pain Res, DMS, CoB, Overcharge, Jolt is surprisingly decent, Pop is still good, you could use Tremors and that also doubles as an info perk, there's also Corrupt, Deadlock which you don't even need to get a down to take advantage of, and that's just off the top of my head
what can i, specifically, do to improve?
That's hard to say, I would need to see a video to know what mistakes you're making. you mentioned struggling with Borgo and Mayers[sic], I'd love to help with that, Myers is one of my mains and I've gotten plenty of 3k's and 4k's with him on Borgo. knowing a map and a killer name really isn't enough to go off of, though.
confusion about "full potential"
"full potential" means the best-of-the-best, skill wise. Certainly you recognize the best survivors are probably going to be able to win against a random sampling of killer players, because that random sampling of killer players is going to be mostly average. The best of the best should usually beat average players - I would hope you would agree that if average players on one side were beating the best players on the other side, there would be a power imbalance there.
couldn't really find anything to respond to in your last point as its mostly just melodrama (to be fair, it's really fun to engage in melodrama and often helps arguments so no criticism there) but hope that clears some points up for you bud. See you in the fog!
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I like how you blatantly says "kill rates will be over 50%" without any actual evidence that backs up it lol
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You didn't understand what I meant, blame my poor bad English for sure.
Anyway, the conversation is useless, I leave you to rejoice about the nerfs and how much the killers cry since they are all balanced and perfect, I'm done with the game
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not sure why you thought I didn't understand what you meant, I even correctly identified what killer you were trying to discuss. i assume that means you aren't going to take me up on my offer to help you with your Myers gameplay, btw?
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Come on. The killrates were over 60%. As if the Eruption nerf will drop it down to under 50. I literally play every game without that OP perk and still do very well. And tunneling is effective enough to make you win most games depending on how good you are as killer. As if Eruption is the only thing that kept killrates high.
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The change is not just eruption though, plenty has been changed since last data we got.
If it was just eruption I doubt it can reduce numbers that much yes, but it's not just eruption.
Also it's not that related, but when we talk about kill rates I like the fact bubba which can basically secure two kills no matter what has not been nerfed for some reason lol
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form glitched out on me and made me think my original response never got posted, so now i'm editing this so the duplicate post doesn't show up. is there a delete button? there should be a delete button. i don't see one, but maybe i just didn't look in the right place
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Lol I abandoned eruption in any of my builds the moment it got buffed because I can almost see the future with meta at this point.
No point even entertaining something I know will get deleted a few months down the line.
Eruption? More like, Tiny bubble lol to the trash heap ya go my old friend
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