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When your team betrays you...
I've played this game long enough to know a hopeless situation when I see one. When there are 2 gens left to do, the 3rd survivor is on their 2nd hook and you're the last one who is on your death hook and injured then you're both probably not escaping. You can try, but I've never recovered from a situation like this where we both escaped. At this point most of the pallets are used and its much easier for the killer to find you since they know the hook is a hot spot and there is only 1 other survivor left to worry about. In my opinion the best thing to do in this situation is for the hooked survivor to give up so the last survivor has a fighting chance of escaping. I ALWAYS do this because I know were both not making it out of there. I have given up on hook to give the last survivor a chance at the hatch more times than I can remember. It just feels like the right thing to do. Struggling on the hook in situations like this just feels like I'm helping the killer and making it that much harder for the last survivor to escape.
I've noticed that a lot of survivors lately have been struggling on hook in situations where it was impossible for them to escape. Some situations there will be 4 gens left to do and they will still struggle on hook knowing that even if the last survivor saves them there is no way they are both escaping. It almost feels like they are trying to make sure you don't escape also. Maybe they feel like if they don't get to escape then neither should you. Its very selfish and the crazy thing is I have actually had people call me selfish for even suggesting that giving up on hook was the better option in a situation where its impossible to win. Survivor players really need to stop being so irrational in these situations and read them better. There are times where you need to realize you're not all going to escape but you can at least give the last survivor a fighting chance.
What do you think? Is it selfish to struggle on hook in a hopeless situation or is it better to give up so the last survivor doesn't have to evade the killer for a prolonged period of time?
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Pretty much - some people think it's heroic or something to keep up the struggle, and make sure everyone dies with them.
For a handful of points.
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I've actually had some survivors tell me they did it for the struggle points. Whether or not they were telling the truth I don't know. Honestly I think struggle points shouldn't even be a thing. You get a small amount of points and do nothing but give the killer more time to find the last survivor.
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this is why killers slug the second to last survivor. then they can hook both
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I thought staying on hook to the very last moment is Kate's tradition
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It depends in my killer games, there is 50% chance that they will do this, or there are good ones, who dont struggle so they give no time to find the last survivor.
However it doesnt matter because I will let the last survivor to escape anyway.
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The difference is killers still have a chance to win in a 1v1. When they slug the 3rd they're forcing the last survivor to either pick up the slugged survivor or wait a very unfair amount of time to even initiate a 1v1. End game collapse or when the doors are powered I can understand it, but when there are gens still left to do then you're really just being toxic at that point for a 4k.
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it's selfish and i'll keep doing it. so save me or die with me.
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But seriously, BP nowaday is a depreciated currency. You can easily get a Red item with doubel Red addon after a match, BP is too easy to earn to stay for struggling point.
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And this is the problem. You think a better outcome can come from a situation that is very likely going to favor the killer. If you're already in this situation then you probably aren't going to be able to hold off the killer long enough to complete 2, 3 or 4 generators before the killer finds you. You got hooked with gens left needing to be done with only 1 other survivor left. Why should I think you will be able to make that situation better?
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"why should i let you leave without me? might as well earn some bloodpoints. if you save me then i might get another chance to run around for 2 minutes. or i might be the one to escape instead of you. there's no tangible reason why i should give up. i have nothing to gain. i'm a solo survivor and you're some random that should have been doing gens while i was pallet stunning and baiting. but nope you couldn't even finish 3 gens. how did i end up on hook? because i used all 13 pallets. how did you end up on final hook? cause you're bad. everyone knows this. i would have never even been on hook if someone had been doing gens instead of hook farming.
as it stands i'm sitting on an iridescent chaser, a gold altruism, and a silver lightbringer. only thing i'm losing out on is survivor because my team is bad. why would i give up more points when i can just tap skill checks for another 20 seconds"
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Or maybe, just maybe you're on that hook because of you. Its not always your teams fault that happens. You're not so perfect at the game that any negative situation defaults blame to someone else. No one is. If you think struggling for 20 more seconds for a few more BPs is worth the whole team losing then you're the one being selfish. Now you want the last survivor to unhook you so YOU can have a chance to escape instead of them even though you were the one on that hook and not them. Being a solo que survivor doesn't mean you should treat your team as just a tool for your own gain.
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Most of the time in those situations I just let go. No point in holding on.
Sometimes though, I hold on just out of muscle memory, because I checked out a bit when it became clear the match wasn't going to end well. Mea culpa on those, I guess.
And sometimes, if I feel the other player started playing for hatch/themselves before the game was lost, I might hold on out of spite (and for some points).
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I let go in that situation, because yeah it's just prolonging the inevitable and I'd rather move on to the next game. If the other survivor is the one hooked, then I'll attempt a rescue only if they're struggling. If they're struggling then i assume they want to stay in and I'll oblige them. I don't care if I die so it's whatever.
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i put that in quotes on purpose, but anyway i disagree with your logic. asking a stranger to give something up for your benefit is silly.
but that goes both ways.
it's your choice to spend the that 20 seconds being too scared to save your teammate and forced to hope that you find hatch before getting caught.
it's their choice to stay alive or not.
that's part of what makes the game interesting.
i get that a lot of people see this game as a 4v1 team survival game and it's fine to think that way, but it's not.
this game is a social experiment where the killer is the common enemy and the survivors are the dynamic pieces. escape is only 1 option and escaping doesnt mean you win.
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If my team played well and I feel like the last person deserves the hatch then I'll give up on hook as quickly as possible to give them more of a chance. If not then I'm gonna maximise my BP, sorry.
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For me it depends on the teamate, if you have been a good teammate and have brought tangible value to the match, I will generally let go in favor of you getting hatch. However if you have been overtly useless for the most part, or especially if you did something specific like run the killer to my wiretapped gen to dump them on me or another teamate to save yourself when you werent even hooked yet, I will gladly struggle out of spite and hope the killer catches you.
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It is a 4v1 team survival game. If you're only unhooking and healing your team for BPs instead of for the benefit of the team as a whole then your team can't trust you. I already told you that every single time I saved a survivor in this situation we both died. You're not going to get those last 2, 3 or 4 gens done with you being injured off the hook and half your team eliminated. Maybe if there is 1 gen left to do but even still its risky. If you can't read a situation well enough to see that and instead value a couple hundred BPs over doing what you can to help the last survivor then you're just using the rest of the team for your own benefit. You're not the star of the team. You're not the only one the killer is going after. In the situation I described the ONLY person benefiting for you struggling on the hook is the killer.
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Depends. If the Killer is not tunneling and, somehow, you have no hook states while everyone else is dead since you wouldn't try to bodyblock or take the Killer's attention then I'm taking my measly struggle BP.
If you did what you could then I'll let go but if you were selfish during the match then I'll be selfish on struggle phase as there's a good chance your attitude contributed to this situation.
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Who knows? Maybe they have hope.
I know that if the last standing tries to mount a rescue knowing that they are likely trading their escape for another's, there is a big chance I'll let them both go.
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nah. it's just hypocritical. you're asking for a stranger to give you a free hatch escape out of the goodness of their hearts. never mind the fact that they might have been the only one doing anything which is why they're on the hook to begin with.
why not unhook the player and throw yourself at the killer if you feel like a sacrifice has to be made? just because you think it's hopeless doesn't mean it is.
you want one of you to escape then save the other player and go get put on hook. dont ask the player that's still fighting to win to give up. that's selfish and toxic defeatest behavior. might as well be a hook pogoer at that point.
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And you still think it should be you, which again tells me you only care about yourself and use your team as nothing more than a tool for your own benefit. You're not really doing a good job making a case for your argument here. You assume you deserve to be the 4th survivor no matter what. The ONLY thing you are doing in this situation is buying the killer more time to get the 4k all out of an entitlement mentality that you should be the only one who deserves a chance at the hatch no matter the situation. What if your team tried? What if you know the other survivor did their part and the situation reads clearly that you're not escaping? How does it benefit you to throw the entire team away for the sake of your own pride? And by the way, its never a "free hatch escape" as you put it. Its merely giving them a chance to escape when all else fails. I always give up when its me on the hook and there is only 1 other survivor left. I'm not so selfish to think I deserve to be the 4th survivor and that it should be me that gets to have the chance to escape. And you know what? It feels pretty good when they do get the hatch. It makes me feel like it wasn't in vain.
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I do that if there is cakes in game so it's still some bp. But if there is no bp bonuses I suicide on hook but pretty often teammates try to come to save... Personally I never try hatch worst thing in this game as survivor is when killer closes it in front of you. As killer only thing worser is when lot of cakes in game and you get destroyed by seal swf team.
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i'm a solo player. i don't care if the other survivors escape or not. they're playing their own survivor game. i'm queuing for me. my time is being spent to level my profile and grind my challenges.
im just playing the game. i never said you had to save me, but i'm not giving up my match for a stranger. it that stranger doesn't want to unhook me because they're too scared then fine 🤷🏻♂️ but i'm not going to stop fighting the entity.
those other players in my lobby ARE a tool. because unhooking then keeps pressure off of me and they might unhook me later or complete a gen while i'm being chased.
i've made a great case for my argument.
for starters this whole thing is just an opinion from you in the first place. so by simply saying i disagree with your opinion i've made a great argument as the facts do not matter at that point. it's an opinion.
but i've gone farther by treating this as a rogerian argument to explain that specific differing of opinion due to my views on the gameplay. which apparently isn't good enough? let's try a summary then.
first and foremost as i just stated this is your opinion. secondly the "team" concept falls apart when solo queued. third - given that a player gains emblems and bloodpoints the longer they're alive and those are the only form of progression in the game which continue to increase regardless of if you die or not why should a player give that up just because they might die? fourth, why should anyone let someone else escape instead of escaping themselves. fifth point - dying on hook doesn't guarantee the remaining survivor will even find the hatch before the killer because there is a huge delay between the death animation and the hatch spawning so you might be giving up on a game where the other survivor dies anyway - you even confirmed this by agreeing to it.
all 5 of these points are solid and you've yet to convince me otherwise.
the only actual rebuttals you've provided are "because it's the right thing to do", "i do it myself", "you'll die anyway", "it feels good to do", and "don't be selfish"
which are all terrible reasons. in fact the way i worded them and seeing them all-together like this it's almost like an indoctrination for a cult of followers that hook dive lol.
for the record it feels good earning those extra blood points for struggling and then getting unhooked even more. especially if i live long enough to do a gen, heal an injury, open a chest, cleanse a totem and especially escape instead. that's such a good feeling. way better than dying and spamming the continue button. because it's not like i sit around watching the last survivor try to find hatch. that's a swf thing.
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If they were a good teammate I won't bother struggling so they can try for hatch. If they were a bad teammate that didn't do anything or was leading the killer to others then I'll hold on to give the killer a chance to find them.
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9 out of 10 games I'd rather my survivor teammate get hatch than risk both of us going down. I don't think in all my 3k hours I've ever had a match turn around when it came to that point. It's so demoralizing when I see my rando SoloQ partner just stand there in the open or throw themselves at the killer and t-bag without even looking for the hatch. So soulcrushing. You ever run into me, feel free to hide if I'm on death hook and get downed.
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You're the kind of player that inspired the title of this thread. If you think a few more BPs and the chance your emblems might be a different color for struggling on the 2nd hook is worth increasing the killer's chance to get 4k then go for it. Despite how you feel being a solo player you should know that you have NEVER escaped a match without the help of your team. You have never earned anything in this game as survivor that wasn't in some way aided by the help and support of other players you played with. THAT is why it is the right thing to do in situations like this. If survivors can't trust each other during the match then you're just making it that much easier for the killer to win.
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Again - loaded words.
escaping will always be a byproduct of the actions of the match, but that doesn’t mean the other players were trying to ensure i escaped any more than i was trying to help them. There’s a reason why at one point locker camper bill and solo laurie existed. In a lot of ways they still do.
an unsafe hook used to cause players to be hook farmed as a way to prevent getting killed in a chase or the make the hatch spawn back when keys were a thing.
SWF isnt even immune to the “oops” survivor interactions.
escaping through the hatch is a byproduct of outliving the other survivors.
escaping through the gate is a byproduct of opening them. Which might require generators, but sometimes it just requires the hatch to be closed.
so while yes, survivor actions lead to escapes - the thought that good intentions are the cause of escapes (especially mine) is purely erroneous assumption. Most of my escapes are through hatch.
when i choose to escape through gate i tend to bring wakeup! in case hatch gets closed or if the team has toolboxes. Otherwise i work on gens, bait the killer, and avoid hook.
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I've played this game long enough to know that many, perhaps even most survivors I have interacted with had good intentions throughout the match. I've talked to thousands of them. I have thanked and been thanked for going above and beyond the rational expectation of play in situations that were likely and often did end up in the other survivor escaping and the one making the impossible save not. In the very rare case, perhaps even both escape. The memories of those moments are more valuable than points on a scoreboard. To see the gratitude of people you don't even know but merely played a fun match together with is infinitely more valuable to me than getting a few more BPs.
Play how you want but remember while you're planning your next escape and not caring if anyone else does, someone on your team may very well be going out of their way to help you do that. But that's all just well and great for you, isn't it? May we never meet in the fog.
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