Stop lobby dodging

SIlentCetra said:

I can see why killers would WANT to dodge. But dodging for items is complete bs and not at all the same as dodging for SWFs or ping. And they need to punish that. It's not the survs fault it you can't deal with an item. That's you as a killer needing to git gud.

@scorpio said:
Kagrenac said:

@Orion said:

You're not going to convince dodgers not to dodge. That's simply not possible. The best you can hope for is that the devs fix the reasons why they dodge. Personally, I don't bring in items and rarely use offerings, but thanks to my teammates, I still get dodged.

There are so many ways to help make items less usable. Nurse's, Coulrophobia, Overwhelming, Franklin's, Lightborn, Ruin, NOED to help with people who Gen-rush...I don't understand.

Oh ######### I didn’t know we could run 7 perks!

Some survivors never play killer, so they dont know that a killer doesnt have 16 perks like survivors

@TheBean said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
Pretty sure the Devs said dodging is ok.

True... but... However, I believe there is a limit to what can be considered ok.

Maybe we should be asking BHVR a couple simple questions...

"Does BHVR condone killer players dodging a lobby when that player determines, specifically, that there is a SWF group in the lobby?"

"What information does the Developer actually believe the Killers should use, when determining, if they want to accept the lobby?"

Rather then trying to debate little issues of if something might happen or not... Maybe we need to nail down what the developers actually want Killers to see when determining if they accept the match or not.

Is there a Dev out there that wants to clear this up?

Its totally ok to dodge lobbies, the devs dont bann for it. And it doesnt matter whether you it once per day to dodge a certain guy, whether you dodge every SWF or whether you dodge 100 lobbies in a row just becuase you feel like it

@Gunmech04 said:
Master said:

@Gunmech04 said:

Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said:

######### are you even talking about? 

• You bring in an item.

• Killer dodges.

• Killer gets an instant new lobby.

• Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.

  Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.

  Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude. 

  Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.

Bring a new argument mate

No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge. 

LUL nerfed into the ground, how?

Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.

Unhook Invul was introduced.

BT was buffed to oblivion

You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.

The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.

@SIlentCetra said:
Orion said:

You're not going to convince dodgers not to dodge. That's simply not possible. The best you can hope for is that the devs fix the reasons why they dodge. Personally, I don't bring in items and rarely use offerings, but thanks to my teammates, I still get dodged.

The problem is the same crap you see in For Honor. These stupid "rules" crybabies make up in their heads and expect people to follow.

If I have a medkit and think it will help, I'll bring a medkit. If I want to try and go for an epic flashlight save, I'm bringing a flashlight.

Items are in the game and staying. Just like NOED. People need to stop being little whiners about everything and getting pissy because someone uses what is in the game.

Dodge me killers, go ahead. Maybe when you keep taking 20 years to find a match or always suck because you never learn to deal with items, you'll finally stop lobby dodging.

Or when this game ends like friday the 13th, they are gonna stop

@Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said:
Yeah, I do. And I play both killer and surv, and both sides need to stop whining and crying about every little thing, especially item use. If killers want items removes, then killers can have all addons and offerings removed too. 

Well, then I hope you and I don't play on the same region, just so you don't make me get dodged.

######### you mean? this game is just dying, the matchmaking takes rank 20 survivor/killers for make the matchmaking faster.. now it just take random survivors from different region.., for this the last day i been expected a 400+ ping.. is just ridiculous, for this killers queue are faster than the survivor one..

@Gunmech04 said:
MhhBurgers said:

Z@Gunmech04 said:

Master said:

@Gunmech04 said:

Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about? 

* You bring in an item.

• Killer dodges.

• Killer gets an instant new lobby.

• Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.

  Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.

  Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude. 

  Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.

  Bring a new argument mate

  No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge. 

  LUL nerfed into the ground, how?

  Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.

  Unhook Invul was introduced.

  BT was buffed to oblivion

  You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.

  The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.

  Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt.  Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse. 

BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.

The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.
Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.

Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.

I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.

I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.

@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Gunmech04 said:

MhhBurgers said:

Z@Gunmech04 said:

Master said:

@Gunmech04 said: Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about? 

* You bring in an item.

* Killer dodges.

• Killer gets an instant new lobby.

• Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.

  Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.

  Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude. 

  Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.

  Bring a new argument mate

  No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge. 

  LUL nerfed into the ground, how?

  Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.

  Unhook Invul was introduced.

  BT was buffed to oblivion

  You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.

  The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.

  Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt.  Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse. 

  BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.

  The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.

Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.

Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.

I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.

I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.

And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.

You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.

Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)

Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.

@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:

@SIlentCetra said:

MhhBurgers said:

@Gunmech04 said:

MhhBurgers said:

Z@Gunmech04 said: Master said:

@Gunmech04 said:    Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said:    ######### are you even talking about? 

• You bring in an item.

  • Killer dodges.

• Killer gets an instant new lobby.

• Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.

  Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.

  Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude. 

  Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.

  Bring a new argument mate

  No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge. 

  LUL nerfed into the ground, how?

  Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.

  Unhook Invul was introduced.

  BT was buffed to oblivion

  You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.

  The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.

  Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt.  Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse. 

  BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.

  The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.

  Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.

  Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.

  I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.

  I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.

  And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.

  You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.

  Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)

  Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.

  And YOU can't seem to grasp that you dodging a lobby because a survivor is using an in game item is WRONG.

Newsflash buddy, it wastes your time too. Maybe every surv should start bringing items just to make you cry harder. You have no "power" either, you just think you do because on p2p killer is host. gonna be hilarious when ded servers hit.

I don't care if it's wrong, I'm an alphamale, I do what I want.

Dedicated servers will hit and we will still dodge, nothing will change, the only thing that'll change is that you don't have to reinvite your friends again, congratz you saved 20 seconds.

Most survivors aren't such sweaty tryhards anyways and it approximately takes a dodge like every 5th lobby because some think it's fair to bring 4 items, I'd rather play with ppl who don't take some indiegame where you press like 3 buttons so seriously.

Could I just bring an Ebony Mori to offset the items? Sure I could, but I'd rather let you guys play lobby simulator or outright let you farm iridescent shards for me in a deadly boring game while I eat or watch youtube on my second monitor.

@Master said:
Its totally ok to dodge lobbies, the devs dont bann for it. And it doesnt matter whether you it once per day to dodge a certain guy, whether you dodge every SWF or whether you dodge 100 lobbies in a row just becuase you feel like it

I don't care if they don't ban for it.

I'm curious though if the Devs actually want killers to dodge lobbies based on the survivors being SWF. The Devs provide a clear picture of who is in the lobby and what items, but no clear picture of determining if the survivors are SWF. You can look at profiles, if they aren't private.

Access to profiles can be given at the end of the match, in the summary. Is it really needed in the initial lobby?

You can make your profile private, but then some killers will dodge if everyone has a private profile in their lobby. So why not just remove that whole criteria in the first place.

It isn't about stopping lobby dodging but minimizing it, by not providing criteria that the developers don't intend you to use as a reason to dodge.

** This is all based on if they don't want you to use SWF as a reason, since their actions so far show that they don't. IMO Cause if they did want killers to dodge based on that info, then it should be provided.

@Master said:

@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:

@SIlentCetra said:

MhhBurgers said:

@Gunmech04 said:

MhhBurgers said:

Z@Gunmech04 said: Master said:

@Gunmech04 said:    Orion said:

@SIlentCetra said:    ######### are you even talking about? 

• You bring in an item.

  • Killer dodges.

• Killer gets an instant new lobby.

• Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.

  Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.

  Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude. 

  Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.

  Bring a new argument mate

  No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge. 

  LUL nerfed into the ground, how?

  Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.

  Unhook Invul was introduced.

  BT was buffed to oblivion

  You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.

  The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.

  Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt.  Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse. 

  BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.

  The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.

  Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.

  Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.

  I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.

  I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.

  And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.

  You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.

  Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)

  Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.

  And YOU can't seem to grasp that you dodging a lobby because a survivor is using an in game item is WRONG.

Newsflash buddy, it wastes your time too. Maybe every surv should start bringing items just to make you cry harder. You have no "power" either, you just think you do because on p2p killer is host. gonna be hilarious when ded servers hit.

And how are dedicated servers supposed to affect this? If executed properly by BHVR (which I doubt), then we wouldnt even see a difference in the game besides from less lagg

Just dodge the groups that bring items you find likely SWF. Two toolboxes, a medkit and a flashlight is pretty standard. It all depends on the changes they implement and how it all pans out. If nothing really changes and killers are just a clown show for hidden groups, dodge the game by playing something better until the queues dry up and you can read the complaints on the forum. I hear Civilization is a solid choice.

@Master said:
So lets only talk about dodging SWF now.
Your suggestion to remove the names would also disable the killer from dodging known "toxic" survivors or streamers (like I do e.g.). However if they are not able to dodge them in lobby, they will simply DC ingame because you cant force them to play vs them. I doubt that this is a good solution tbh.

I could see that, but that would be up to the Devs. Since in a way this is no different then having a blocking feature, just manual and per person.

They could also remove names from the match, and just put symbols or whatever as identifiers players can use to remember who is who. Then increase DC punishments.

@Master said:
And there is a difference between enabling a SWF-filter mechanic that enables the killer to only search for solo survivors or making them go thruogh the effort of manually lobby dodging them.

Of course there is a difference. One being an acknowledgment from the Devs that they feel it is ok to match make based on that information, and the other is not.

What we have now is a "if we don't acknowledge it, then we don't need to address it" type of system.

Since there are people complaining about balancing SWF in the matches, don't prevent people from dodging SWF as a specific reason, but don't acknowledge either so it doesn't need to be addressed. Then people can freely do as they wish. However, what happens once the devs get killers and solo survivors to where they want them?