You find those perks fun when playing survivor?

But, i was talking that perks for one side are never fun for the other. Like at best they just don't bother you.

Unless you are trolling i guess

Yes, I know perks for one are never fun for the other. I'm just saying the equivalence for what kind of perks are fun for the killer.

Oh, ok xD. I was just confused because most survivors hate lightborn and franklins xD

I was wondering what was going on there xD

Dead hard shouldn’t work in M2 powers, because “it only takes a few seconds to bait out dead hard” doesn’t work with some killer powers. Some killer powers are heavily telegraphed, and you can’t ever bait out dead hard with them, because the survivor could easily dead hard those powers on reaction, even if the power was done at point blank range. Some killer powers have some range to them, and it would take a lot more than “a few seconds” to get into point blank range with the survivor. Some killer powers have a bit of range to them, and by the time you can get into point blank range, the survivor is already at a place where you can’t reliably hit the survivor with your power anymore.

Facts.

Genuinely, SB is better vs blight and spirit. I guess that leaves DH countering nurse still at least.

What does that have anything with making DH not work with M2?

Eruption was nerfed because it allowed 3 gen stall wars. People saying the perk was bad against SWF are dreaming because the perk was used against the best survivors in comp.

If DH makes the strongest killers weaker and still they are the best killers, then why nerf the perk so the strongest can get even stronger.

If you want to nerf the perk nerf it. Don't just put these tiny exceptions where DH doesn't work if you hop on 1 leg for 5 seconds and sing Miley Cyrus

I did see that video. For the most part Scott was correct. However if SB became meta I do not think there would be anywhere near the same outcry against it. For one very simple reason.

SB doesn't ever feel like you got robbed of a hit. DH basically always does.

There's more to it than that.

For example, if I as the killer lose track of the survivor at a loop and they leave, gaining a ton of distance... that obviously doesn't feel good, but it is an annoyance at worst. Slapping a Dead Hard feels infinitely worse.

The way Dead Hard is set up is that it is only relevant in a position where the Killer otherwise would have a down. To make matters worse, the feedback the game gives killers for a down vs hitting DH is very similar.

It is literally the perfect setup to trigger the killer player's loss aversion. Honestly that alone should get it nerfed/reworked again.

The official developer notes stated the concerns were that it disproportionally affected solo players. The developer notes did not mention anything regarding SWFs when they were talking about the eruption nerf.

And you keep ignoring the fact that we have many M2 killers that aren't top tier. If people are just going to say "just bait out dead hard, it only takes a few seconds", then dead hard needs to be changed so that killers like Trickster can actually deal with dead hard, while Trickster is at range and can throw knives at a survivor.

What really should be done, is dead hard needs to be nerfed with the same degree and energy as what happened to eruption. Change dead hard so it doesn't work on M2 powers, and prevent it from working when a survivor is within 5 yards of a pallet or vault. Just keep added nerfs onto it, until it's just as bad as nerfed eruption.

If we really want to whatabout M1 killers, we should whatabout the fact that many players relied on eruption when using weak M1 killers, because they needed a strong regression perk. And heavily nerfing eruption, without giving weak M1 killers any compensation, will affect them much more than it would affect strong M2 killers that didn't really need to use eruption. So, yes, the dead hard nerf should include something like "prevent it from working when a survivor is within 5 yards of a pallet or vault", so that it's also nerfed against weak M1 killers, as they need the most help in this game.

What like everyone tolerated Eruption which was a fun perk for killer.

Just say you want the perk deleted i move on with it. You are just adding exceptions for the perk not to work because you don't want to play around the perk.

Eruption was busted and was nerfed.

If DH gets nerfed should be fairly and not by adding conditions of use so i don't offend anyone.

Now starting to add exceptions so the perk doesn't work because you can't adapt to it, its stupid.

And i don't care that are M2 killers that are weak, i assume that you agreed with me that the strongest are M2 killers, so why exactly should you buff those killers again?

Also, Eruption wasn't a perk that M1 killers relied, every killer could use that perk, and was busted on every killer. There was no rule for a nurse or a blight that they can't use the perk.

And people should stop using the counter play argument, the perk as counter play and the there a ton of situations without counter play in the game. For survivors, killers (good or bad). DH is not this revolutionary perk without counter play, it just feels bad to get hit by it because the perk is the definition of a Cock-Block

I never said we tolerate all perks. And definitely not eruption.

Also how was eruption fun? Because it was busted? I don't see what fun the perk brings? Its like saying prove thyself is fun because gens go fast, who says that?

I just don't ever act like the perks that are using against me are fun. So saying that DH is only fun for the survivor, like no way, really, maybe because its a survivor perk and off course killers won't ever find it fun, again the best you get is tolerate.

What you described is present any time endurance gets used, whether it's from BT, OTR, or Dead Hard. Including the 'it sounds like I hit then but it didn't count'. (Which, btw, hit validation also registers hits that 'shouldn't have landed').

Endurance is only relevant when you would get a down (injured), and the feedback is the same regardless of where the endurance came from.

And while I'm sure there are some who would argue for endurance changes, by far the overwhelming outcry is about dead hard.

You're 100% guaranteed right now to have BT on every unhook. This isn't a hyperbolic 'dead hard is everywhere', it's just a fact that BT is in every single game, several times per game. And it isn't necessarily the 'waiting' that bothers people as much, because when they want to, people will cheerfully count to 10 while sniffing the survivor off hook.

The variable here is that the survivor has agency over when dead hard is used. That is, by far, the most triggering aspect of the perk.

It dragged games on forever. How is that fun? Lol

Then I feel like we're saying the same thing with different words.

Your 'loss aversion' only occurs when the survivor presses e to dead hard, which is what I'm referring to as 'being outplayed'. You seem to be focused on the part where the anticipated phenomenon is 'swing weapon and down survivor' doesn't occur, and I'm looking at the reason why that happened: the survivor did something to change the expected outcome.

Any scenarios that avoid loss aversion are 'always on' or 'on a timer' forms of hit avoidance, but also don't require any precise timing or reaction by the survivor either.

The key difference between other forms of hit avoidance and dead hard is the unknown that comes from having a real person as an opponent, which is what we're both seemingly agreeing on.