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What -is- an m1 killer?
I merely ask because different people have slightly different ideas about what an m1 killer is.
At it's most basic, the definition would be 'A killer who can only injure/down survivors with their m1' so basically their power doesn't deal damage, but under this definition:
Nurse, Blight and Spirit are all m1 killers
Trapper is NOT an m1 killer.
Considering people generally use 'm1 killer' to mean weaker killers, and the fact that Trapper is almost always considered THE m1 killer, the definition can't actually be about only damaging from an m1.
Could it be based on 'Basic Attacks'? Nurse and Blight would then be out, but the fact their m1's aren't always basic attacks is more arbitrary and just down to balance around perks. Spirit when attacking out of phase is still a basic attack for now, but could change in the future if they decided to.
I'm eager to hear if anyone has a good, definitive definition of m1 killer.
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It's kind of hard to describe and I don't think there's a neat "definition" for it. Generally it would be considered a killer whose primary way to attack is M1. But I don't think anyone would ever consider The Nurse to be a M1 killer and at least I would argue that Myers IS a M1 killer (even though Nurse can only hit with a M1 attack and Myers has Tier 3).
With how complicated some of the attacks are, it's almost more of....a feeling than it is a hard rule.
Just looking at the list, this would be my personal breakdown of M1 killers:
Trapper, Wraith, Hag, Doctor, Myers, Freddy, Pig, Clown, Spirit, Legion, Plague, Demo, Deathslinger, Pyramid Head, Cenobite, Onryo, Dredge, and Skull Merchant
Some of those wouldn't "technically" be M1 killers if you go by their powers (Myers, Pyramid Head, Plague, and Demo being the outliers). Trapper would definitely not be if you go with the "Their powers can't hurt you" definition but I can't imagine there are many people who would call Trapper not a M1 killer
So...that's my long winded way of saying IDK :D
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Its essentially the term used for killers who's main mean of doing dmg and downing survivors is by doing basic attacks.
Even Knight fits here, since most of the dmg comes from him with the aid from his guards, since they rarely actually injure someone.
Same applies to Legion for example, while they can injure with their power, they can only down with a basic attack normally.
Wesker doesnt really fit here, since its preferable to use his power for doing dmg in general, Nemesis is partially the same in that regard.
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Nurse and Blight are definitively not "M1" killers, because they have special attacks.
A blink + attack and a lethal rush are definitely not basic attacks.
Spirit is a little more vague, but I'd put her in the "not M1" box due to how she can combo phasing with attacks.
An "M1" killer is generally regarded as a killer that relies on basic attacks, and doesn't have a power that either gives greater mobility*, range, or loop denial**.
* If that mobility cannot be used in a chase, e.g. Freddy and potentially Sadako, then it could be debatable.
** If the loop denial is purely passive, such as Trapper, Skull Merchant, then this is also a little vague.
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I totally understand when you say it's more a 'feeling' than an actual strict rule. I think that's what the community as a whole seems to go by, even though as you say there are plenty of exceptions. Trapper can injure and even grab people off of hooks without ever using an m1, but most people consider him an m1 killer, and as you say, almost no one puts Nurse on the list even though if she -only- uses her power, she can't damage anyone.
Myers would always be an m1 killer, his power is stalking but it doesn't damage. Even in t3 he needs to m1 in order to down/kill people.
I would however strongly disagree with Demo and Pyramid Head, they're two of the obvious 'not m1 killers' since they can consistantly deal damage with their power. If you consider them m1 killers then you could just call ALL killers m1 killers.
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I understand why you'd put them on the 'not m1 killer' list, it's exactly why most people don't, however the very name m1 killer does imply it's all about using the m1, otherwise it'd be 'basic attack killer'. If however you -are- using the arguement that it's about basic attacks, then Spirit would HAVE to be an m1 killer. Yes her power helps her get the m1s, but most non-damaging killer powers help you get the m1.
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You forgot Oni and he is the real m1 killer not having anything else at start of match than just m1. Hag, deathslinger and dredge would not make my list as all of them have antiloop to counter looping which is kinda opposed to normal m1 killers who can be looped.
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"M1" is a colloquialism, not a definition. It doesn't apply to console for one thing.
Every killers power helps them get the 'm1', so that's not a definition either.
But high mobility powers result in a markedly different playstyle to those that have to walk at base speed or have to be in base range to attack.
It's all about playstyle and how survivors have to interact with the killer.
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i wouldnt put "injure" but more so down. old legion was an M1 killer new legion who can now down is technically not an m1 killer anymore
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That makes the most sense. Killers with no mobility who are forced to just run around the loop until the pallet is dropped are generally the killers people call m1 killers. Killers that techincally only damage with m1s but who have good antiloop are rarely called m1 killers, so I think you're onto something.
I just find it odd how the name 'm1 killer' stuck when it seems to be more about chasing/looping potential and has basically nothing to do with 'how' they actually damage survivors.
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It’s basically a killer that their power doesn’t directly help them get the hit. So think like Pig, Myers, SM ect. Their powers help them, but at the end of the day they have to run the survivors down at normal speed and play the loop as intended.
It does not mean the killer simply hits them with an m1. So Spirit for example hits them with an m1, but is not an m1 killer because her power makes her get those hits. She is not running them down at normal speed and playing the loops as normal.
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I would generally defined it as to whether or not the killer has a power that has to rely on basic attacks because their power doesn't give them extra mobility, ranged attacks, or some other way to ACTIVELY deny/mindgame loops. General gist is: "Do they have to play the loop/pallet game?"
The killer power Based on these, i would consider the following killers to be "m1 killers":
- Trapper - Can't down with just the power, can't use the power as a mindgame to shut down a loop
- Hillbilly - His power lets him instadown and traverse the map, but he still generally has to play the loop game most of the time.
- Myers - He still has to M1 the survivor and still has to loop normally, the power just increases his stats basically.
- Bubba - Same as hillbilly, he can instadown, but he generally still has to play the loop game, mainly he ends up destroying pallets super quick.
- Pig - Generally she still has to play the mindgame at the loops and the dash power is quite weak.
- Legion - They can injure you quickly and technically down survivors with their power, but generally only if the survivors are playing terribly, outside of that, they must hit a basic attack to down.
- Plague - This one is arguable because it depends on how the survivors play. The general strategy against plague is often to just never cleanse and just deal with being injured the whole game. If survivors do that, she effectively has no power.
- Ghostface - This one is a bit arguable, but i think it still stands, ghostface generally can't use the power to deny loops, but instead uses it for stealth.
- Sadako - She can't really use her power for mobility outside of the teleports, but you'll be unable to use that in a chase reliably, she generally relies on stealth and m1 hits.
- Skull Merchant - Her power increases her lethality when healthy, and gives information, but she still has to play the loop game.
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I would say that it's a killer that realizes on "basic attacks for injuries or downs.
Sure Trapper can get injuries or downs with trap it's not the most reliable way using basic attacks are how you will get most your damage.
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and that's why it can get goofy and weird cause, like tunneling or camping, each player has their own definition of it.
I don't consider Oni a M1 killer (even though one could argue he has the same shortcomings as Myers does and I count him as a M1 killer) and I do consider PH and Demo as M1 killers because both of their special attacks can be clunky as hell and if you miss them, you've lost any time you'd have saved (and usually more) if you'd have just taken the extra two steps to slap the survivor.
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I’ve always Said it’s a Killer who Can only damage With a Basically Attack or Killers who have no True mobility.
Billy isn’t one because he has a secondary Attack and High movement. While Trapper doesn’t have a second Attack and Bad Zero movement.
Blight isn’t one because of his High movements and Lethal Strike, Wraith is on because he has to uncloak and disable his power to basic Attack you.
Wesker isn’t one Because He Can grab and hurt you With it, Doctor is one Because He Can only smack you.
Ghostface, Myers, and Plague Are all M1s But their powers help them with it.
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Trapper, Myers, Pig, Freddy, Doctor, Sadako, the New Skull Merchant, i guess Pig even if she has her Dash wich is M2 pretty much useless in most situations but still if u want to call her M2 i wont say NO... for the most part people call M1 killers the ones that normally wont cause u any damage with their M2, reason why Nurse, Blight, Demogorgon, Wesker, Artist, Piramid head, Huntress, Trickster, Etc Etc killers who can hurt u with M2 normally are called M2 killers the ones who cant are called M1, trapper can hurt u with his traps is true but is not him doing the damage is his unique power the traps... however that concept is also not entirelly correct since Legion can also hurt u but is pretty much a M1 killer since he cant down u he can injure yes but in the end is like getting chased by M1... but i could understand anyone saying he could be M2.
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Personally I feel like an M1 killer is one who's power can't help them during a chase.
Trapper for example, yes you can set a trap on a pallet midchase but the surv will either run for distance or pallet stun you. So you end up shift W and M1 to down a lot of survs. So personally I think trapper is an M1 boi.
If the power can keep survs perma injured then I don't feel like that is M1, chases against a wounded survivor are so much shorter because they have no 2nd chance (unless they run DH) so I'd consider plague and legion not to be M1 killers.
It's probably why I like playing stealth killers. Ghosty and a stealth build demo are my 2 fave killers to play because I can bypass the chase mechanic.
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