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Got blamed from tunneling... Was this tunneling?
So yeah the title says it so I was playing with dredge and I downed/hooked yui and then left to chase other survivors. So then I downed another yui very quickly and hooked her. In that time other yui was just healed under hook and I went there as I saw them with BBQ. There where two yui's and I could not tell who was who. But after downing one of them and hooking her appearently it was the first hooked yui.
Then I went to chase others again and found renato on locker and hooked him. Then again with BBQ saw two yui:s and downed one of them. But I noticed now it's again same yui who was hooked twice so I left her on the ground and chased the another yui downed and hooked her.
I decided to leave the other yui on the ground to give her second chance. And went to find others and I downed and hooked renato again. But last yui didn't unhook or heal the yui on the ground but instead was hiding so I ended up downing her as well. So game ended me slugging and hooking everyone.
First hooked yui blamed me from tunneling after the game. So was this tunneling she was literally last one to die and I had multiple hooks and death:s between her hooks...
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No.
First off, if people wear matching cosmetics, they're kind of abdicating the right to cry about tunneling. Expecting the killer to filter for names and not just character/cosmetic is unreasonable.
As for other factors, they vary from person to person, but imo if you down anyone else after to surv in question, you're not tunneling. Also for me, to be a true tunnel, it has to be three hooks in a row. Sometimes people just aren't good or unlucky and end up in your face too often, and you can only expect the killer to willfully ignore you so much.
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You will always face the "tunneler" endgame-chat, no matter what you do.
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At this point people need to just stop bringing up the term, it comes so often and is almost always misused. At this point, the word means nothing. For some people, the fact you killed them at all would mean you tunneled.
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No.
If you were to immediately hook the first Yui right after they'd gotten unhooked then yes. But once healed everyone is fair game, let alone the fact that you downed/hooked another survivor in the meantime.
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I agree with that 3 hooks a row definition being true/pure tunneling but there are few exception. Like I have see good Oni:s who only focus hooking one survivor but just keep slugging everyone else between that survivor hooks.
In that match I was also pretty sure on yui:s second hook that it was another yui... There was 3 yui:s with that same drift cosmetics and I didn't paid much attention to names... I had huge pressure that whole match so for yui perspective I can see she felt I targeted/tunneled her but she could still see I hooked and chased others and she literally was last one to die.
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I have had at least a couple of games where three or more survs were wearing the exact same cosmetic and I unintentionally tunneled someone straight out of the game.
Not your fault as a killer, and the risk survs take when they get cute with coordination. At this point in my DBD career, if I see a matching lobby it's kind of a relief because I don't even bother trying to sort them out, just down and hook whoever I see.
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Tunneling as it is referred to amongst the DBD community doesn't have an actual definition. It is a term used without a commonly agreed upon definition. Therefore it means different things to different people. From a survivors perspective, tunneling happens when they are hooked and after being unhooked they don't have a reasonable opportunity to recover. From a killers perspective, tunneling is only when you down and hook a survivor who was just unhooked. From the narrative you just told then from your perspective as killer it wasn't tunneling because you didn't hook the survivor and gave her a chance to recover, from the survivors perspective they were tunneled because they didn't have a reasonable chance to recover. Both perspectives are valid.
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It has a widely-accepted definition, survivors just frequently misuse it to make the other player feel bad about winning.
Tunneling originated as a shortened version of "having tunnel vision" which means to focus one survivor exclusively and ignore everyone else.
That's it. It's that simple.
It has never meant "not giving someone a reasonable chance to recover." Ever.
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I consider tunneling to be "Going out of your way to hook the same Survivor consecutively, for the purpose of killing them early".
So no, OP wasn't tunneling.
I've been accused of tunneling even after consciously choosing to drop chase against a Survivor that I knew was on death hook.
I've seen streamers like Otz do challenge runs where they're never allowed to hook the same survivor consecutively, for any reason, and still get accused of tunneling.
Tunneling is a real concept and some of the complaints about tunneling are valid, but it's one of the most misused terms in the game. It's often simply used in an attempt to make the Killer feel bad for getting kills.
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Were you practicing for the mid-chapter?
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The other day my friend I was playing with accused the killer of tunneling.
My friend was hooked first, I unhooked them and healed them at hook.
During this time a Yui started a chase and kept it going from before I unhooked, until me and a friend found a generator and started working on it. A Vittorio finished their generator.
The Yui finally got hit, my friend spied a dull totem and started blessing it.
The killer realized they were going to lose another gen before the got the Yui down and broke chase. They saw my friend, downed them quickly.
"This killer is tunneling!" They shouted.
I uh. I don't think we're using the same word to define tunneling. People are just going to accuse of tunneling, especially when tilted.
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Oh so you are the supreme decision maker on word definitions? Glad to finally meet you. That's not how it works friend. It doesn't actually even matter how a word originates. Words are actually defined from their usage. Whatever the commonly agreed upon usage is what the word means. Let's take the word "literally" as an example. Literally comes from the Latin word "littera" which means "letter" so "by the letter". So literally meant by the letter or the exact meaning of the word. But it was misused so frequently that the definition of the word itself changed.
Notice definition 2. So even going by your definition of "tunnel vision", that doesn't make anything I said untrue. If the killer has "tunnel vision" for you that means they aren't giving you a chance to recover.
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She did have time to recover between her first and 2nd hook as she was able to get fully healed. Between her 2nd and 3rd time getting downed I can see she didn't have much time as she was cleansing totem and I interrupted that. But that still not tunneling as I chased others and hooked between those downs. And I left her on the ground when I noticed it was same survivor I had hooked 2 times.
So I chased hooked and downed and killed whole team meantime she was on the ground and then hooked her. But instead she blaming me she could blamed her team for not having time to recover she would have reasonable time to recover if her teammates could lasted better in chase and also healed her while she was slugged on the ground. Im pretty sure renato felt tunneled as well as I only hooked one survivor between his hooks and he didn't even get healed once or have time to recover and he was first to die. I thin I just tunneled whole team as no-one really had time to recover.
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I've been around long enough to know the history of the term, yes.
"Tunneling" is kind of in the same category as "racist" in US politics. It has a definition, and lots of people abuse the word to attempt to conflate behavior that isn't problematic with an egregious offense in an attempt to shame the other party into submitting to their whims.
Of course, this is entirely transparent when it is attempted.
If we are arguing that the definition has changed then we also need to admit that the behavior described by the word is not problematic at all.
But one side seems to want the described behavior to be problematic even as they warp the definition to suit their desires.
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Okay, that gives more context. By just about any standard that can't be considered tunneling. If she got on a totem after being unhooked then it isn't tunneling. Not that you really need to lose any sleep even if you did tunnel. It's not against the rules to tunnel. But if you are the type that tries to play "honorably" then you can consider yourself cleansed of any tunneling sins.
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Who even cares if someone tunnels? Blame the devs for allowing that playstyle to even exist.
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You were blatantly tunneling as you were loaded into the map.
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There is 2 mental states I'm in when the killer tunnels me. There is the "dude really... are you actually gunna tunnel me" vs "ah #########, the killer is going to remove me". Don't worry if the survivors complain. If you feel you didn't play like there was a gift card on the line then it's fair game.
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No you weren’t tunneling. Even the same person hooked twice in a row isn’t tunneling unless you intentionally ignored other people that were just as easy of a down.
That said, if a survivor was on a gen at 90% are they going to then leave the gen to start a new one so they aren’t tunneling their objective? No, they won’t, so it’s a double standard.
I don’t personally tunnel but only because it’s not fun for me personally. Objectively though it is the smartest decision and totally fair since the survivors will be tunneling theirs. I tend to run stronger than normal addons regularly which I view as still fair because in exchange for running those it allows me to play a super fair game for the survivors which I’m sure most survivors would prefer over weaker addons but tunneling.
Tunneling is never going to change though until the devs change the objective for winning from kills to hooks (this actually makes more sense lore wise as well) and actually reward hooking different survivors base kit. Something like hooking a survivor for the first time applies a permanent 10% gen progression slow down. This gives people who tunnel zero reward, but does reward the killers that keep going for a new person every time.
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Who was the forth survivor? 🤔
They weren't mentioned in your story.
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Even if it was (I didn't read, not relevant) it doesn't matter one bit.
Play however you like.
Besides, at this point tunnelling is the last remaining tactic that hasn't been destroyed by the devs.
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