Would you play a game without the killers?
I have seen people genrush so hard, its almost like the killer is a bother to them that gets in the way of slamming a gen out as fast as they can.
Would you prefer the killer not be there at all?
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the goal is blood point and challenge grinding. the killer prevents those things.
people play idle clickers like cookie maker.
pretty sure this is meant to be rhetorical sarcasm or ironic hyperbole satire, but honestly... i bet you'd be surprised how many people would still play the game.
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I've had so many games as a survivor where I barely ever saw the killer because for whatever reason they couldn't catch someone and insisted on chasing them the entire time anyway. There's not a lot else for me to do BUT gens and I'm not going to not do gens just because the killer is being stubborn in their pursuit.
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The Survivors' objective is independent of the Killer. In a match where the Killer didn't exist, the Survivors could still do their objectives normally.
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Some players like to gen rush and some players don't. Some killers like to tunnel and some killers don't. Everyone plays the game the way they like to. I find gen rushing boring and like to bring a variety of perks, but some people like to bring full gen rush builds because they value the escape as opposed to the journey. It is what it is.
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The fun of the game is in chases. I look for the killer and run him, let the others do gens
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No, most survivors wouldn't play if the killer is an NPC.
Most of their fun comes from mocking and harrassing another person. If they're doing it to an AI, they'll just go play minecraft or something. That's why survivors get so pissed when they lose and gloat when they win. Its not fun for them unless they make someone else not have fun.
Edit: By survivors I mostly mean SWF
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Yeah, I might actually win a game as Survivor lmao
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You said the quiet part out loud.
They don't want to admit it out loud, but a big portion of the high-hours DBD community (2K+) play it to induce misery. They are "bored of holding M1 on a gen", and they -
... adopt this mentality. Then they bring Flashlights, Dead Hard, Head-On, and try to be as horrible as possible. If the killer was a bot, that sucks all the joy out of it. This is why the term "bully squad" is accurate. When you come into the game trying to have fun at the expense of someone else, you are totally bullying and you tell on yourself when you say you won't play against a bot. Oh sure, some people will hide behind "Well, I want the difficulty of playing against a human opponent", but you can easily make a bot ten times harder than any human. If you "just wanted to try out a fun build", you don't need a human to do that. But THEY do. They want to frustrate, they want to upset, and then they want to teabag in the exit gates and leave messages in the end game chat.
This is why I do not play in, nor do I want to play in, high MMR games. There's no reward, and the percentage of matches with these sorts go up.
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And you can get bloodpoints from being chased, getting hook saves, healing, etc. Not everything is about doing gens.
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Come join me in solo que and I’ll show you a portion of the community who are allergic to gens. You and I can ask them if they prefer we do everything??
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Survivors are demons.
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Alright so let me get this out of the way first. Are there people who play the game simply to make the other side miserable? Absolutely, but they are without a doubt a VERY small but loud minority. Now that the obvious is out of the way, let me explain how wrong this whole thing is.
As some one with over 5.5k hours, who plays roughly a 80/20 split in favor of killer, and whos favorite aspect of Survivor is the chase. I just simply like the competition of competing against another person. I could give less of a ######### if their ego is so fragile that they get that offended that they got beat in a silly little video game. This doesnt go for DbD either, whether its For Honor, Overwatch, or Minecraft. I just want to outplay my opponent in a way that I enjoy playing.
Survivors arent these absolutely foul people you love to make them out to be, theyre the same people you see walking around on the side of the street or sitting on the bus.
Like I seriously dont understand why DbD tries to victimize and villainize its own community. Its seriously not that deep, people will be people and try to rub it in when they come out on top. Doesnt matter what it is, as long as theres competition there will always be banter.
Now if you TRULY believe that Survivors are just these little demons who are simply out there to get you. Nothing is stopping you from playing against bots.
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Even the edit makes this wrong
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you get the most from completing generators and escaping.
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Honestly, I might.
For other reasons than I would a normal game obviously, and I wouldn't play exclusively this. But I'm never super sad or disappointed to load into a game without a killer player.
I'll do totems, refill my inventory with items I picked from chests, open the gates, get escape bonus bloodpoints. That's all stuff I can rarely do in a normal game, so it's nice.
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oh wow what a perfect example of whiny entitled killer mains in one thread
where to even start...
first of all genrushing just means that the killer is not competent enough to do their objective which slows down gens, I am sure we all know survivors objective is to do gens and killer's objective is to hook them and eventually get them out of the game if the killer is not doing that successfully survivors have more than enough time to finish all the gens fast
even a 4 man swf squad with 4 bnps and hyperfocuses cannot finish all the gens fast if you are just as good or better than them and are able to down them in time, so instead of improving and learning from every game you play what could have been done better it's easier to just blame it all on other players who are literally just doing their objective, it's okay to lose and be worse, like no one's life is on the line.
and second, using head-on, dead hard and flashlight is bullying now? LMAO If you actually feel bullied by pixels you have way bigger problems than DBD and its lack of balance
yeah sure we have streamers and 12 year old kids who want to ''bully'' but you can either just kill them in match by being better player and have that form of satisfaction or just be mature enough to realize this is a video game and you will always have the next match to go where you might have better time. If you are a grown adult getting this bothered by a video game that is soo bad I am sorry, like maybe do not play dbd or pvp games where you have to interact with other people?
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You're on the right track
But that was a terrible example
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A lot wrong here.
1.) I never said all Survivors. I called out a specific breed of them.
2.) It's not a small minority if I encounter them every night. And I don't play at high MMR.
3.) No, actually I can't play against bots because bots don't earn BP or clear challenges. To me the human element is irrelevant, I want the full scope of the game.
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1) That specific "breed" (assuming youre talking about those with over 2k hours) is a sizeable chunk of the community
2) It is a VERY small amount, unless you count every one who brings a flashlight, head on, dead hard or says "gg ez" in chat. In that case thats a you problem
3) Same applies to that "specific breed" you mentioned before
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1.) Yes, it IS.
2.) I count people that do tactics like "The two of us will coordinate Head On stuns around Shack, and Dave will be right behind us with a flashlight. We'll just have one person do gens".
3.) That specific breed isn't playing the game normally, they are playing the game to troll. That's the difference. That crew is not trying to get four unhooks in one game or coop heal four survivors.
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1) It is, but even then a small chunk of that "specific breed" are a VERY small chunk
2) Thats literally just a strategy. Its like saying a killer who tunnels and camps is simply doing it to piss people off and is a bully.
3) See point 2.
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I don’t like super fast game (not super long ones), so when I see gens have flown by, I’ll cleanse some totems, search some chests, breaks some hooks if I find a toolbox and even see if I can get aggro from the killer. Sure, it may lead to my death (and maybe my teams), but I’d take that chance and have some interaction/fun over just M1 Gen simulator.
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If BHVR brought out a co-op DBD classic mode and made it PvE? I'd be down for that if there were a good leaderboard. No joke. Rework the grinding aspect to make loot fun. Revert the game back to simpler times. Bring back the flashlight clickies with unpredictable AI, and remove the ######### chat filter with 800 or 900 solid responses. Camping? Allowed. Tbagging? Allowed. ######### talking? Allowed.
Shooooot, maybe even change patches every month to keep things fresh with cool cosmetic rewards that people can see if you score high on the leaderboards.
I'd pay good money for that single/co-op player experience.
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Look at the people on twitch. When they beat a killer they mock and ridicule them nonstop. If they lose, they call you a "tunnler" "camper" "hacker" just to justify their loss.
Also, if what I said is wrong, why do 75%+ of survivors Tbag at the gates?
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Youre still not helping your case lmao
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Sometimes I consider playing Wraith and standing still somewhere, completely undetectable, just to spectate and see how survivors would react.
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FALSE.
It is not "just as strategy" because the Killer is actually doing his objective. This is a false equivalency because you don't power exit gates with stuns.
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But stopping the killer from doing their objective also aids them in doing their own by buying them more time.
So yes it is a strategy whether you like it or not
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This would be true if said objective is actually taking place. A killer that forces a hook state is factually doing his objective. The bully squad might be, if someone actually on a gen is doing something. And in either case, they aren't doing it for the objective. Everyone knows the gen rush is better, faster, and more efficient. This is just more misery inducing, and that is the point.
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I mean in what you said earlier you said there is a Survivor doing a gen:
"2.) I count people that do tactics like "The two of us will coordinate Head On stuns around Shack, and Dave will be right behind us with a flashlight. We'll just have one person do gens"."
Yes there are more effective strategies out there, but its still a strategy.
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I face those kind of squads like in 1 out of 100 games. You have to be very unlucky facing them often.
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Usually not effective stragedy once though bully squad powered gates agains't me when flaslight locker saves were still a thing and I played agains't them fairly...
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I was quoting the game in question I played last night. The point is, only the person on the gen was doing the objective. The other three were not "engaging a strategy", they were screwing around. In games were all four of them are doing it (and yes, I've seen plenty of those games, too), then no one is further any objective.
All I am seeing is you reaching really hard to justify playing as dirty as possible in ways that aren't even the objective.
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I would gladly trade with you. Maybe it is a time of night thing, since I play on average from 1AM to 5AM, but yes.... I get one about every four hours or so.
So I 100% don't buy the whole "This is a small minority!" argument.
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You're reaching just as hard by trying to justify why people using perks in a video game is equivalent of getting punched and then getting kicked down on the ground. Its generic in game BM its nothing special
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"one every 4 hours or so"
"So I 100% don't buy the whole "This is a small minority!" argument."
Thanks for this, tells me a lot. Enjoy the rest of your day/night
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I'm sorry, you think 1 game every four hours is a small minority?
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If 2 gens fly in one minute I just go stand at a gate, cause ######### if they want to just go hit buttons who am i to interrupt them
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Pretty SURE MANY MANY people dont say it out loud but I'm sure they would LOVE if dbd had no killer human players and just bot killer. Making it a game to buy cosmetics and bully the non living hell out of an AI.
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Talking about a bad example, that's not bullying but straight up assault. Bullying is way more than just physical violence.
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I'd use that game mode to grind challenges like "cleanse 25 totems"
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Without killers, who would survivors have to endlessly taunt, loop, vault and teabag at the exit gates 😀
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Im well aware its a bad example, in my defense I couldn't come up with anything better at the time and even now I dont know how to say that pressing Control repeatedly and using perks in a video game aint bullying
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Answers to this post really show how childish and entitled most players are.
Wonder what they will say when the survivor queues become a nightmare, because the next patch, between swf teams healing in 5 seconds and no gen regression perks, will surely make many killers go away, like its already happening.
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A group ganging up and making fun of an individual falls under bullying in my book.
And that's what full hook denial groups are. They don't want to escape, they want as much "interaction" as possible with the killer. Only that this "interaction" comes at the cost of frustration and anger of the solo individual.
But i know you won't agree with me so don't bother to explain to me why you think different.
I have been bullied by halve my class through elementary and middle school so i know exactly how it feels FOR ME. And those groups aren't much different. Only the visual let's most people distance themselves from it.
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Oh I was bullied up until early highschool and theres nothing in DbD that compares to that, but my experiences were much more on a personal level thanks to things I have no control over.
When it comes to "bullying" online, I start considering it when it starts going outside the game where they specifically go out of their way to mock or harass you. Pressing CTRL and taking advantage of game mechanics isnt bullying. They arent doing it because youre you, theyre doing it because you just so happen to be on the opposing side
Its like saying a guy who talks ######### in a sports game is a bully. Is it fun to deal with some one like that? Absolutely not, but its nothing personal.
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Yeah, it's not personal but i personally see it as a problem to have that mentality as soon as they don't view the other side as a person any longer, which isn't the case.
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I love it when random people online try to villanize others out of salt. It's weird how people wanting to play with friends instead of randoms makes them spawn of the Earth demon scum according to a lot of you guys.
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Sadly, thats how many SWF teams are. Its just how 4 people vs 1 works. From what your saying, you probably play a non- absuive SWF exculsively. Which means you won't see how many of them act. Open up twitch and watch survivor gameplay, you'll see them mocking the killer nonstop.
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The villainizing aspect is easy to explain, this game breeds and thrives on both sides having a a visceral contempt for each other.
As the saying goes, "Hell is other people" and DBD makes other people have to serve as your entertainment in ways that a lot of games don't. Few games have went this hard in making the players responsible for each other's fun. We literally can't play the game without each other and since that is the case people take the opportunity to be the worst versions of themselves towards others. Killers and survivors do at fairly equal rates, but survivors get called out more because ultimately there is more of them on than killers most of the time so the ones being sus just feel like a larger portion of people.
Also mechanically killers don't have a lot of ways to ruin a game for survivors en masse. Survivors have more tools to and help at their disposal to not only ruin a killer's day, but also their own teammates' day as well.
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