Totem Counter added to UI - Please vote on link below!

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

fcc2014 said:

I voted No, It feels like too much information and puts the killer at an even more disadvantage. This would help solo survivors though with totem info that swf may share. to give this info to survivors you would need to buff totems for killers to benefit them somehow.



You and many others see this as a "one step buff for solos and nothing for killers" change, but in fact with this exclusive solo survivor buff (swf won't get stronger with that information, they already share it) we are one step closer to close the gap between solo and swf and as a result we can buff killers without completely make the solo experience to a hell ride.

We need to think 2 steps ahead, even if the first step sounds bad for killers, at the end killers will benefit form that.

Because I think the only reason why the devs are holding back to buff killers so they can compete with sweaty swf groups is that they don't want to hurt solos to much.

Hopefully that makes sense and you change your vote to "Yes"

Except the killer buffs are a load of horse feces and will never come. That's what all the killers already know. It's all hot air and pillow talk. Buff the killers to deal with SWF first, then the solos to match the SWF, then we can talk.

And by the way it will buff SWF. The 2 and 3 man SWF that wish their solo queue teammates were more useful? Yeah, they just received a buff.

It's funny there is all these solo buffs being talked about yet not a single iota of information about what killer buffs are coming to compensate. Anyone have an inkling or is it something that will be pondered for years while in the interim the killers are expected to just endure? Never mind the fight that will have to be made for every crumb of compensation as the newly buffed survivors fight to keep their ez mode.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

What a crock and the shills are out in full force trying to help it gain traction.

But 2-3 men swf groups are still not that strong compared to 4 man SWF groups. I always take reference to 4 man groups because these are the death squads who are making the killers life to a hell.

My overall killer buff idea would be a second objective for survivors. For now, a second objective would work against those swf "death squads" but against solos it's heavy.
We all want the second objective for survivors, I just think it's currently not practical for Solos (obviously it depends on how the second objective is).

No, you just didn't think anyone was smart enough to highlight that about 2-3 mans or you yourself never considered it. The rest, whatever.

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

fcc2014 said:

I voted No, It feels like too much information and puts the killer at an even more disadvantage. This would help solo survivors though with totem info that swf may share. to give this info to survivors you would need to buff totems for killers to benefit them somehow. You and many others see this as a "one step buff for solos and nothing for killers" change, but in fact with this exclusive solo survivor buff (swf won't get stronger with that information, they already share it) we are one step closer to close the gap between solo and swf and as a result we can buff killers without completely make the solo experience to a hell ride. We need to think 2 steps ahead, even if the first step sounds bad for killers, at the end killers will benefit form that.

Because I think the only reason why the devs are holding back to buff killers so they can compete with sweaty swf groups is that they don't want to hurt solos to much.

Hopefully that makes sense and you change your vote to "Yes" :)



Except the killer buffs are a load of horse feces and will never come. That's what all the killers already know. It's all hot air and pillow talk. Buff the killers to deal with SWF first, then the solos to match the SWF, then we can talk.

And by the way it will buff SWF. The 2 and 3 man SWF that wish their solo queue teammates were more useful? Yeah, they just received a buff.

It's funny there is all these solo buffs being talked about yet not a single iota of information about what killer buffs are coming to compensate. Anyone have an inkling or is it something that will be pondered for years while in the interim the killers are expected to just endure? Never mind the fight that will have to be made for every crumb of compensation as the newly buffed survivors fight to keep their ez mode.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

What a crock and the shills are out in full force trying to help it gain traction.



But 2-3 men swf groups are still not that strong compared to 4 man SWF groups. I always take reference to 4 man groups because these are the death squads who are making the killers life to a hell.

My overall killer buff idea would be a second objective for survivors. For now, a second objective would work against those swf "death squads" but against solos it's heavy.

We all want the second objective for survivors, I just think it's currently not practical for Solos (obviously it depends on how the second objective is).

No, you just didn't think anyone was smart enough to highlight that about 2-3 mans or you yourself never considered it. The rest, whatever.

Why you bring that up then? You sound upset

No sweetie I just don't like you. So when you have an argument you can't just dismiss and you suddenly switch up to a more reasoned and polite approach I don't start liking you again.

You don't get to dismiss the 2-3 man SWF buff with some meandering about them not being 4 man when your ideas turn the odd man or even 4 individuals into a ad hoc 4 man.

Your ideas are bad and ill thought out. Simple.

Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

fcc2014 said:

I voted No, It feels like too much information and puts the killer at an even more disadvantage. This would help solo survivors though with totem info that swf may share. to give this info to survivors you would need to buff totems for killers to benefit them somehow. You and many others see this as a "one step buff for solos and nothing for killers" change, but in fact with this exclusive solo survivor buff (swf won't get stronger with that information, they already share it) we are one step closer to close the gap between solo and swf and as a result we can buff killers without completely make the solo experience to a hell ride. We need to think 2 steps ahead, even if the first step sounds bad for killers, at the end killers will benefit form that.

Because I think the only reason why the devs are holding back to buff killers so they can compete with sweaty swf groups is that they don't want to hurt solos to much.

Hopefully that makes sense and you change your vote to "Yes" :)



Except the killer buffs are a load of horse feces and will never come. That's what all the killers already know. It's all hot air and pillow talk. Buff the killers to deal with SWF first, then the solos to match the SWF, then we can talk.

And by the way it will buff SWF. The 2 and 3 man SWF that wish their solo queue teammates were more useful? Yeah, they just received a buff.

It's funny there is all these solo buffs being talked about yet not a single iota of information about what killer buffs are coming to compensate. Anyone have an inkling or is it something that will be pondered for years while in the interim the killers are expected to just endure? Never mind the fight that will have to be made for every crumb of compensation as the newly buffed survivors fight to keep their ez mode.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

What a crock and the shills are out in full force trying to help it gain traction.



But 2-3 men swf groups are still not that strong compared to 4 man SWF groups. I always take reference to 4 man groups because these are the death squads who are making the killers life to a hell.

My overall killer buff idea would be a second objective for survivors. For now, a second objective would work against those swf "death squads" but against solos it's heavy.

We all want the second objective for survivors, I just think it's currently not practical for Solos (obviously it depends on how the second objective is).

No, you just didn't think anyone was smart enough to highlight that about 2-3 mans or you yourself never considered it. The rest, whatever.

Why you bring that up then? You sound upset

No sweetie I just don't like you. So when you have an argument you can't just dismiss and you suddenly switch up to a more reasoned and polite approach I don't start liking you again.

You don't get to dismiss the 2-3 man SWF buff with some meandering about them not being 4 man when your ideas turn the odd man or even 4 individuals into a ad hoc 4 man.

Your ideas are bad and ill thought out. Simple.

@Peanits said:
Tzeentchling9 said:

Include a token count based on the number of totems left to Small Game instead.

I would be inclined to agree, but this change would basically be just for solo players. A group can already share how many totems each of them has destroyed to figure out how many are left, but a solo player has to check the entire map. Having that information available to everyone would help being solo players closer to a SWF level, which would allow killers to be properly balanced around coordinated groups. Putting it on a perk would mean that solo players have to use a perk slot to get the same information as they'd already have if they were playing with friends.

Not to mention it could benefit the killer as well. If you can see how many totems are left, you'd be able to tell if NOED is going to activate or not.

@Peanits said:
Tzeentchling9 said:

Include a token count based on the number of totems left to Small Game instead.

I would be inclined to agree, but this change would basically be just for solo players. A group can already share how many totems each of them has destroyed to figure out how many are left, but a solo player has to check the entire map. Having that information available to everyone would help being solo players closer to a SWF level, which would allow killers to be properly balanced around coordinated groups. Putting it on a perk would mean that solo players have to use a perk slot to get the same information as they'd already have if they were playing with friends.

Not to mention it could benefit the killer as well. If you can see how many totems are left, you'd be able to tell if NOED is going to activate or not.

Not all SWF's are created equal. 2-Man SWF with 2 solo are not equal to a 4-man SWF. The only reason I say this is because tying it to only solo play is not exactly a fix. If the idea is a 4-man swf can communicate each doing 1-2 totems, then a 2-man has to search out all 5 totems alone.

Just playing devil's advocate.

@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said:

Tucking_Friggered said:

@HavelmomDaS1 said: fcc2014 said:

I voted No, It feels like too much information and puts the killer at an even more disadvantage. This would help solo survivors though with totem info that swf may share. to give this info to survivors you would need to buff totems for killers to benefit them somehow.        You and many others see this as a "one step buff for solos and nothing for killers" change, but in fact with this exclusive solo survivor buff (swf won't get stronger with that information, they already share it) we are one step closer to close the gap between solo and swf and as a result we can buff killers without completely make the solo experience to a hell ride.    We need to think 2 steps ahead, even if the first step sounds bad for killers, at the end killers will benefit form that.

Because I think the only reason why the devs are holding back to buff killers so they can compete with sweaty swf groups is that they don't want to hurt solos to much. Hopefully that makes sense and you change your vote to "Yes" Except the killer buffs are a load of horse feces and will never come. That's what all the killers already know. It's all hot air and pillow talk. Buff the killers to deal with SWF first, then the solos to match the SWF, then we can talk. And by the way it will buff SWF. The 2 and 3 man SWF that wish their solo queue teammates were more useful? Yeah, they just received a buff. It's funny there is all these solo buffs being talked about yet not a single iota of information about what killer buffs are coming to compensate. Anyone have an inkling or is it something that will be pondered for years while in the interim the killers are expected to just endure? Never mind the fight that will have to be made for every crumb of compensation as the newly buffed survivors fight to keep their ez mode. Yeah, that's the ticket. What a crock and the shills are out in full force trying to help it gain traction. But 2-3 men swf groups are still not that strong compared to 4 man SWF groups. I always take reference to 4 man groups because these are the death squads who are making the killers life to a hell. My overall killer buff idea would be a second objective for survivors. For now, a second objective would work against those swf "death squads" but against solos it's heavy.

We all want the second objective for survivors, I just think it's currently not practical for Solos (obviously it depends on how the second objective is).



No, you just didn't think anyone was smart enough to highlight that about 2-3 mans or you yourself never considered it. The rest, whatever.

Why you bring that up then? You sound upset

No sweetie I just don't like you. So when you have an argument you can't just dismiss and you suddenly switch up to a more reasoned and polite approach I don't start liking you again.

You don't get to dismiss the 2-3 man SWF buff with some meandering about them not being 4 man when your ideas turn the odd man or even 4 individuals into a ad hoc 4 man.

Your ideas are bad and ill thought out. Simple.

Oh It's you, I wasn't even paying attention to your name lol. Don't worry, I will keep ignoring you you salty poor little kid. Next pls.

You can ignore me all you want, the community doesn't and you have ineffectual communication skills. Your arguments are so easy to punch holes into as to be amusing. So next that.

@The_Crusader said:
George_Soros said:

This would be very detrimental to killers. The only way it would be MAYBE acceptable if three new secret killer offerings were added: increase number of dull totems by 1/2/3.

Which proves what I was saying...

Killers don't want the totems cleansed. They want the biggest crutchperk in the game (once DS is changed) to activate.

5 totems x 14 = 70 seconds. That's not including time spent running around looking for them, or survivors being interrupted and needing to start cleansing from the beginning again. Add in all that and it's easily over a gens worth of time, easily. In fact almost every game I get interrupted at least once.

If a killer can't win with 6 gens then they have a problem. 6 gens or instadowns and speed boost at the endgame. It's win/win for killers either way.

You conveniently forget one thing: while I can see generator auras, I don't have any more idea of dull totem locations than survivors (actually less than someone running Small Game). Which means a smart totem hunter survivor group can stay immersed, without touching a single gen at start and sneak around cleansing all dulls. Then the game begins.
The Hallowed Blight event clearly showed this: those Cankers were not shown to killer. Stealthy survivors often managed to gather all the nectar they could without any contact with the killer. Once they were done, the game started.

Obviuosly there are detection perks and killer powers which can help finding even the most immersed survivors. But your most important clue as to where to find survivors is generators.

Orion said:

@The_Crusader said:
Which proves what I was saying...

Killers don't want the totems cleansed. They want the biggest crutchperk in the game (once DS is changed) to activate.

5 totems x 14 = 70 seconds. That's not including time spent running around looking for them, or survivors being interrupted and needing to start cleansing from the beginning again. Add in all that and it's easily over a gens worth of time, easily. In fact almost every game I get interrupted at least once.

If a killer can't win with 6 gens then they have a problem. 6 gens or instadowns and speed boost at the endgame. It's win/win for killers either way.

It's only 70 seconds if there's a single survivor breaking every single totem, and it's only roughly equivalent to 6 generators if the other three do nothing while that one is breaking totems.

Now here's the funny part: 5 generators being repaired by 3 survivors take the same amount of time as 5 generators being repaired by 4 survivors, assuming only one is allowed per generator. That's because if there are 5 generators and 3 survivors, they can repair three generators simultaneously (+80 seconds) and then two again (+80 seconds). If there are five generators and four survivors, they can repair three generators simultaneously (+80 seconds) and then two again (+80 seconds).

So even in your scenario of only one survivor breaking all the totems, disregarding the absurd notion that the other three are just sitting on their asses doing nothing for the full 70 seconds, total generator repair time is unchanged. The minimum amount of time required for the trial to end is unchanged. Because actions can occur simultaneously, which is something people who say breaking every totem is like adding an entire generator's worth of repair time always "forget".

popoles said:

I am against this idea. As a solo survivor, I am cleansing every totem I see. I don't need this buff at all and it also removes the "immersion", because how can my Feng know that there are 5 totems left even though she saw only 1? 

Or add it to the Small Game.

Dreamnomad said:

Close to 200 votes and 62% agree that it should be added to the UI. While we are at it, can we get a sacrifice tracker on the UI as well? Like a simple red slash near the survivors name for each sacrifice stage would be nice.