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Pallet stuns shouldn't consume a bloodlust token.

There are too many pallets in this game. There are too many strong pallets that take too long to loop. There are many pallets where M1 killers have no chance for a down, or any chance for using their power to get a hit. Getting stunned and losing a bloodlust token neuters the potential for killers to outplay a lot of overpowered loops.

Take the connected loops on a broken map like Garden of Joy, Badham 1-5, Cowshed, Mother's Dwelling, etc. Because these maps -- and many others -- are rife with safe, connected loops, resetting a killer's bloodlust when he HAS to force pallets by not respecting them makes downing survivors take too long around safe loops. This is especially true for lower-tier killers.

Comments

  • DaddyMyers_Mori
    DaddyMyers_Mori Member Posts: 2,205

    Since when you lose Bloodlust with stun?

    From what I know, you lose it from:

    -kicking pallet

    -hitting survivors

    -using your power

    which all three makes sense

  • devotedDBDenjoyer
    devotedDBDenjoyer Member Posts: 269

    i'd sooner rather them nerf strong pallets and buildings and maps than buff bloodlust tbh

  • Gandor
    Gandor Member Posts: 4,384

    Sure. Connected pallets and strong loops. Midwitch, wretched shop, wrecker's yard, Lery's, both RPD's etc would like a word with you guys

  • Johnagon_Infinity
    Johnagon_Infinity Member Posts: 178
    edited April 2023

    Mother's Dwelling, Gideon, Family Res, Badham 1-5, Rotten, Cowshed, Rancid, Torment, Thompson, Blood Lodge, Gas Heaven, Ormand, Borgo, GoJ, Eyrie, Groaning, Suffo, Shelter Woods, Disturbed Ward, Father Campbell's Chapel are too busy talking for those other maps to get a word in.

  • Gandor
    Gandor Member Posts: 4,384

    Gideon is killer sided. Once they changed it from 34 pallets to 25, it's generally killer sided. Especially for nurse, nemesis and legion w certain build + it suffers from indoor map complex. Even Otz agrees to this.

    Rotten fields have 7 pallets and so are also killer sided.

    Family residence is survivor sided in what realm? Torment has very low density of things to loop making it easy for huge number of killers to get hit before u can move to another one (exactly the opposite of what OP said btw).

    Blood lodge and gas heaven are just getting rework to make it easier for killers.

    Suffo has one of the most nasty 3gens no matter what - which survivors can't even identify from a get-go. So again. Free killer win if he decides to camp it.

    Shelter has main, shack and filler pallets. 1/2 of the map is totally killer sided, the other is surv sided. I have no idea how you can say it's just surv sided map.


    Also if all the maps are so much survivor sided. How is it possible, that killers for a long time now have above 60% kill rate? This does not compute.

  • devotedDBDenjoyer
    devotedDBDenjoyer Member Posts: 269

    shrug. i don't think insulting them is going to make them come to their senses, ngl.

  • Johnagon_Infinity
    Johnagon_Infinity Member Posts: 178
  • Gandor
    Gandor Member Posts: 4,384

    I play most of the killers. And especially basement killers do super good on rotten field

  • SkeletalElite
    SkeletalElite Member Posts: 2,920

    bloodlust should be removed entirely. Its a crutch

  • ad19970
    ad19970 Member Posts: 6,814

    They are survivor sided at a very high level of play. Not in general though.

    Rotten Fields is definitely not killer sided, it's big enough and has enough strong loops. But I would argue it's pretty balanced for both sides, depending on RNG of course. Same goes for Family Residence. Shelter is also survivor sided now in my opinion, it has far more pallets, all the filler pallets being strong enough, and a good main building as well.

    The best that BHVR could do is to make maps fairer, especially maps like Fractured Cowshed, Badham maps or the new Knight map, and then nerf camping and tunneling, so playing killer normally is rewarded more, and playing killer by camping and tunneling is rewarded less.

  • IWasLrft2Die
    IWasLrft2Die Member Posts: 389

    Old Gideon was awful. Felt more like a pallet factory than a meat plant.