The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid

I don't mind it deactivating in the endgame. I do wish the stun wasn't so short; that is the only reason why I don't use it. But other than that, it should be deactivated after the gens is done.

It was nerfed to keep it out of the stale meta. I'm glad as people are running a bit more variety now. Built in borrowed time and off the record ease the pain of its removal from those solo players that were genuinely using it as anti-tunnel. I hope they continue nefing meta perks on both sides.

1. Without DS, you have teammates to take hits for you.
2. With DS, you crawl out the gate or the killer gets stun and you run out.

One of these two gives the opportunity for both sides to win.

DS disabling during end game is a reasonable change, just like disabling with conspicuous actions was reasonable.

I think the only thing that was overkill was the stun duration nerf. With a 3 second stun (1 second of which is animation locked for both players) the survivor only gains 2 seconds of distance.

DS isn't even effective at it's job anymore and can largely be ignored or laughed off by killers now. It used to be something killers at least considered or played around because the stun was an actual deterrent.

If Survivors weren't so "it's my game, I can play how I want," a counter-measure would have already become common practice.

If a Survivor is on the hook with 1 gen left, the final gen needs to be 99'd. After going in for save, return to pop the last gen so long as the recently hooked Survivor is not downed.

There are multiple benefits to 99ing the last gen:

1) Allow an opportunity for Survivor to use DS and/or OTR

2) Avoid getting downed with NOED during save attempt

3) Insta-heal any health states lost during rescue, with Adrenaline

4) Opportunity for safe unhook, if Killer believes they can stop the last gen from popping

No it's not ☠️ why should the killer be freely allowed to tunnel because the survivor looped him long enough for the gates to open

Yeah, not being guaranteed an escape is stupid. Just look at base BT with open exit gates.

You know, that this would actually incentivise tunneling even more, right? After all, if I get the DS out of the way early on, I won't need to worry about it in endgame. Though, then you're not gonna make it to endgame anyway.

Use hope or adrenaline or both for end game. No one uses decisive strike anymore for that very reason it’s a wasted perk slot in my opinion.

I thought survivors hated situations with no counterplay??????

Completing all the generators doesn’t automatically equate to a win for Survivors.

There were two other Survivors excluding the one being hooked earlier and none of them came to help you? If your strategy for escaping was solely reliant on the 3 second DS and none of your teammates came to body block for you, that’s a team misplay.

A common thing I keep seeing in this thread is how it was 'uncounterable' as though all the other Survivors in the match are invisible. Even in the Bubba video posted, he ignored 2 free saws on people that weren't previously on hook. I can understand and agree that bodyblocking with anti-tunnel effects is annoying, and the counter to that is disable collision while under those effects, so the Killer can just run past them if standard M1 styled. Also many people are acting as though Deli is free, when you can only be hooked on first hook in endgame AFTER gates are 99'ed/opened. Most often you get hooked before then, especially if you risked the rescue on the person to earn your Deli in the first place.

Someone deserves a 'free second chance' because they used the perk for it with hyper-specific conditions, (1 minute after unhook without touching anything to progress the game) it hardly is free. Otherwise why wouldn't someone use a perk that gives value regardless of the stage of the game, or a perk that helps reach that late game better? The Killer isn't without options, since they can still take down the unhooker and put them further into the map.

Also Survivors lack I-frames after coming off hook, so they don't exactly have an opportunity to begin with, when they can have their BT be procced before they have a chance to make a meaningful effort to prevent that. When that happens DS is more of 'a chance' than a 'second chance'.

The problem with DS, is how it is popular due to design flaws. As long as the design flaw exists, then need for anti-tunnel will exist. BT might as well have been basekit (With 3 selectable perks) before 6.1.0 because of how often tunneling occurred regardless. We need better incentives to leave hook or go after rescuers instead.

In general, I think each of the 6.1.0 perk nerfs should have been single nerfs instead of double nerfs. Also I'd prefer DS to have 5s stun than work in endgame if that was the choice factor, but honestly the Conspicuous Action change was good enough. The other issue with the 6.1.0 shakeup, was the perks nerfed felt fair. You could cleanse Ruin, earn Pop with hooks, not tunnel to avoid DS, use eyes to counter Iron Will. Compared to our current (soon to be gone) unearned 3-gen fare and CoH dual fortress perks. Those I will be glad to see gone, unlike their predecessors.

EGC deactivation was just stupid. This is good change.

But 3s stun? Let's hope you are facing one of the weak killers, because otherwise you just wasted perk slot even if the killer is absolutely fulfilling the perk's niche (is tunneling you right off hook). Conditional 6s chase prolongation is just not worth a perk slot.

If all gens are done then it's deactivated, for a good reason as already stated several times in this topic.